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Re: Radioclare's 2019 log (Croatian/Russian)

Postby Radioclare » Sun Feb 10, 2019 9:39 pm

10 February
I didn't have boring things like housework and investment policies to deal with today, so I got more done :)

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I didn't have too many reviews on Memrise today, so I was able to learn some new words.

I did two lessons on the RT website. One was about the dative and the other was about the prepositional. These aren't bad as cases go, so I thought I was going to get through the whole two lessons without having to consult the answer sheets. But I fell almost at the final hurdle in the prepositional lesson, when there was a task which required you to drag things which a person was dreaming about to be under the headings of a woman, a man and a child. Some of them were quite easy to guess, like the woman was the one dreaming about perfume and the man was the one dreaming about motorcycles. But although I tried my best to get into a sexist frame of mind, I just couldn't get it 100% correct. Eventually when I checked the answers I found my error had been to assume that the man was dreaming about a coat. I'd assigned the coat to the man mainly because I'd just assigned "dress" to the woman so I thought perhaps they were dreaming about one item of clothing each. And, I mean, men do wear coats! I was imagining a very manly coat for a cold Russian winter. But I was wrong anyway, and I would have never figured it out without checking the answers.

This afternoon I watched two episodes of Thomas the Tank. The playlist says that they're "classic", but in my opinion they are a newfangled version (there's a helicopter!) as opposed to the true classic version with Ringo Starr :lol: I can feel my comprehension increasing, especially my comprehension of the intro (which is the same for each episode). I still feel like my comprehension of Russian is lower than my comprehension of Croatian was at the point I started trying to watch similar episodes in Croatian, but I'm not 100% sure whether that's true or whether I just feel more optimistic when I was learning Croatian.

I have finally started chapter 16 of Penguin Russian, which is about the instrumental case. This isn't the first time I've tried to learn the instrumental case so you might think I was getting good at it, but I still made errors in the exercises and in particular got caught out by the instrumental of царь.

Total time = 144 minutes. Streak = 41 days

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I've really neglected Croatian this week, which makes me sad. Having spent so long waiting for my series to come back on TV after Christmas, I'm now actually several episodes behind. It's because I've been prioritising Russian above everything else in my evenings.

I am doing dreadfully with reading Metro 2033 and may have to drop out of the book club. I'm still stuck somewhere in the middle of chapter 3, so not on track with the schedule at all :(

Some days all I've done in Croatian is listening to music. I don't count this for the 6WC, but I do enjoy it a lot. Maybe I need to find some music to listen to in Russian as well.

Another thing I'm not counting for the 6WC is watching the second series of the Belgian TV programme 'Salamander'. It's so exciting! I watched the first series years ago... I think maybe 2014/15 when I went to Belgium for New Year... so it was a brilliant surprise when my sister bought me the DVD of season 2 for Christmas this year.

Ĉi-semajnfine mi finfine aĉetis miajn trajnbiletojn por vojaĝi al la ĉi-jara Brita Kongreso de Esperanto, kiu okazos en Dovro post du monatoj. La biletoj estis pli altekostaj ol mi esperis, plejparte ĉar mi devas vojaĝi al Dovro vendredon el mia laborejo en Birminghamo kaj dimanĉon reveni hejmen. Pro tio ke mi ne vojaĝos el kaj revenos al la sama urbo, mi ne povis aĉeti unu ambaŭdirektan bileton sed anstataŭe devis aĉeti du unudirektajn, kaj en Britio tiu ofte plialtigas la koston. La kongreso mem estas kunkongreso de la Esperanto-asocioj en Britio kaj Francio, kaj samtempe la 100a brita kongreso. La britaj kongresoj kompreneble komenciĝis antaŭ pli ol 100 jaroj sed ili ne okazis dum la mondmilitoj, kaj pro tio ni nur ĉi-jare atingos la centan. La lokon oni elektis pro tio ke en Dovro okazis la unua internacia kunveno de Esperantistoj en 1904, kiam britaj kaj francaj Esperantistoj renkontiĝis tie kaj en Kalezo. Al Kalezo oni planas ekskursi dum la kongreso, kvankam estas eble ke Briteliro malhelpos tion... Mi skribis ĉi tion en Esperanto principe pro tio ke mi volis ekscii ĉu - post tiom da lernado de la rusa - mi fakte kapablas esprimi ion ajn en Esperanto. Ŝajnas ke mi ne tute forgesis ĉion, kaj pro tio mi ĝojas :)
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Re: Radioclare's 2019 log (Croatian/Russian)

Postby Meddysong » Sun Feb 10, 2019 9:53 pm

Radioclare wrote:Mi skribis ĉi tion en Esperanto principe pro tio ke mi volis ekscii ĉu - post tiom da lernado de la rusa - mi fakte kapablas esprimi ion ajn en Esperanto. Ŝajnas ke mi ne tute forgesis ĉion, kaj pro tio mi ĝojas :)

Tute senerare :) Nur unu duon-komenton mi havas:

Radioclare wrote:Briteliro

Pli trafa estas Britdeliro.
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Re: Radioclare's 2019 log (Croatian/Russian)

Postby Radioclare » Mon Feb 11, 2019 10:49 pm

11 February
One of those mornings where you wake up and can't believe it's Monday again :cry:

Russian
I finished most of lesson 9 of Pimsleur today. This is the one where the man keeps asking the man if she wants to have a drink with him at one o'clock, at two o'clock etc and not getting the hint when she keeps saying no :lol: I've come to the conclusion that Pimsleur is much more useful for practice when you already know the words, which is the situation I'm in now, as opposed to when you're using it to learn new vocabulary for the first time. I really don't like learning words without being able to visualise how they're spelled.

This evening I practised instrumental plural endings, which seem comparatively simple actually. And then I moved onto the section of my textbook about uses of the instrumental, but I stopped halfway through because I really wanted to have time to watch my Croatian series this evening :lol:

Total time = 104 minutes. Streak = 42 days
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Re: Radioclare's 2019 log (Croatian/Russian)

Postby Serpent » Tue Feb 12, 2019 12:12 am

Radioclare wrote:But I fell almost at the final hurdle in the prepositional lesson, when there was a task which required you to drag things which a person was dreaming about to be under the headings of a woman, a man and a child. Some of them were quite easy to guess, like the woman was the one dreaming about perfume and the man was the one dreaming about motorcycles. But although I tried my best to get into a sexist frame of mind, I just couldn't get it 100% correct. Eventually when I checked the answers I found my error had been to assume that the man was dreaming about a coat. I'd assigned the coat to the man mainly because I'd just assigned "dress" to the woman so I thought perhaps they were dreaming about one item of clothing each. And, I mean, men do wear coats! I was imagining a very manly coat for a cold Russian winter. But I was wrong anyway, and I would have never figured it out without checking the answers.
:lol: :o :evil: :lol:
Yeah, this one is definitely much more cultural. (Disclaimer: I'm speaking of Moscow, St Petersburg etc here, no idea what it's like in Siberia... Well, I do follow one woman from Yakutsk on instagram, based on her pics I would say she's just more inventive about the winter fashion because their winter is so long and it's boring to wear the same stuff all the time)

Basically, in Russia a jacket (куртка) is generally seen as unisex, while coat and especially furcoat (пальто, шуба) are seen as more refined/feminine. People of all genders wear jackets often because they're more practical, easier to wash and can be used for various outdoor activities. A very warm пуховик (puffy jacket) is a necessity for the winter, most people also own something lighter for when it's not so cold. A winter coat is generally something extra that is stereotypically seen as what you want to show off, especially шуба. About 50% of Russian sexist jokes are about a woman who wants a shuba. It can also be seen as an "idgaf about greenpeace" statement, although of course you can get one with artificial fur. I guess in some fancy dresscodes a coat or furcoat can be somewhat obligatory but I have no personal experience with this. I only wore them as a kid and now I wear jackets exclusively. My current winter jacket was purchased in the men's section. Most of those intended for women had plastic zippers which are basically more like jewelry, and they break all the time :evil: (be sure to browse/swipe through the rest of the post if you want to learn what the arctic circle is called in different languages)

I discussed this with my parents too and my mum said any kind of clothes can be used for showing off, while my dad added that especially some time ago a jacket was supposed to be something mostly young women wear, while older women wore coats. I guess we've made some progress with accepting that at least winter clothes are expensive and everyone deserves something practical and easy to wash. (But we still wear more coats and especially furcoats than for example Finns do)

Is it possible to give a direct link to the exercise? I'm curious what else I'm supposed to dream of :lol:

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Про музыку я писала здесь :) А что за видео ты смотрела про Хельсинки?
Кстати, я в своем логе постила видео про Италию на русском :) Есть даже с английскими субтитрами!
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Re: Radioclare's 2019 log (Croatian/Russian)

Postby Radioclare » Tue Feb 12, 2019 11:08 pm

Serpent wrote:Basically, in Russia a jacket (куртка) is generally seen as unisex, while coat and especially furcoat (пальто, шуба) are seen as more refined/feminine.


Thank you for all the explanations, but I still feel a bit confused :? How does Russian define the difference between a coat and a jacket? To me a jacket has always been something short, i.e. it comes down to your waist/hips, whereas a coat is anything longer that comes down towards your legs, regardless of how warm it is or what gender you are. In the picture you linked to, I would have called what you're wearing a coat :lol:

About 50% of Russian sexist jokes are about a woman who wants a shuba.


Yes, there has already been at least one dialogue along these lines in the course I'm using!

Is it possible to give a direct link to the exercise? I'm curious what else I'm supposed to dream of :lol:


It's in this lesson (number 8). I'll be impressed if you manage to get it right :lol:

А что за видео ты смотрела про Хельсинки?
Кстати, я в своем логе постила видео про Италию на русском :) Есть даже с английскими субтитрами!


It was a vlog on the Russian Progress channel - https://youtu.be/VJwBePXhJ-8. And thanks, I will have a look at the music and the Italy video :)

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12 February
I dropped my access pass down the toilet and that pretty much sums up how today went :lol:

Russian
I finished lesson 10 of Pimsleur today. This one is about telling the time and it's round about here that I've given up previously, so I'm interested to see whether I can get further this time :)

Memrise was painful today. The past chapter of Penguin Russian had some really difficult words in it. I'm torn between whether the word causing me most problems at the moment is пересаживаться or поворачиваться. Both have got too many letters in them! I am actually pondering whether to quit Penguin Russian and try an easier course (TY?) that might have more useful beginner vocabulary in it. I mean, the Penguin course is really good and I'm sure all these words are ultimately really useful to know, but I've got really limited time to learn useful things before my trip in June and I'm not sure I've got time to master the content of this textbook before then. I'm torn because I was trying to be consistent and stick with one book rather than keep switching between them.

I did another RT lesson. This one was practising case endings for masculine nouns, which was mostly fine. The errors I made were mainly where I didn't know which case came after which preposition and it turned out to be instrumental (which I didn't know because I was doing this to procrastinate finishing the chapter on the instrumental :lol:).

Total time = 81 minutes. Streak = 43 days
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Re: Radioclare's 2019 log (Croatian/Russian)

Postby Serpent » Wed Feb 13, 2019 5:59 pm

Maybe officially it's supposed to be overcoat? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overcoat I've never really seen the word outside textbooks :? (the article mentions French paletot, which is where пальто comes from)
Well in winter you need a long jacket or coat, though waist-length ones are embarrassingly common :cry: (any babushka will tell you that it's a sure way to get a uti) I try to stay away from the short jackets when it's below +10 or so. Well, I have a long leather jacket that I wear from +12 to -5, at least if I don't need to be outside much *. Many people just use short jackets for these situations, especially within a close distance to the metro.
*Or at +15 if I do need to be outside for a long time.

I'd say in Russian anything that's made of leather or other "modern"-looking materials is by definition a jacket rather than a coat. To us this is also a jacket :lol: (Found this on a page about Wisconsin where it was called parka) Basically a synthetic куртка can withstand heavy rain and snow perfectly. A leather one is generally fine too, though mine looks far less nice after a very heavy rain in Poznań :( A пальто is somewhat waterproof but not water-repellent (???), and it lacks a hood, so you also need an umbrella when it rains.
Another option is дублёнка but I don't really know how to explain it :lol: It's often somewhat less fancy than пальто.

Also, both жакет and кардиган are false friends in Russian. We were supposed to learn the correct English equivalents at university but I don't know if I ever understood what they are. :lol: If you go shopping your best bet is just to have a pic of what kind of item you want :D

Omg I'm glad your first visit should be in spring/summer :mrgreen:
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Re: Radioclare's 2019 log (Croatian/Russian)

Postby Radioclare » Wed Feb 13, 2019 11:16 pm

Serpent wrote:Omg I'm glad your first visit should be in spring/summer :mrgreen:


After this discussion, so am I! I think the only conclusion I've reached is that I'm never going to attempt to talk about coats in Russian; it feels like it's almost as difficult as the genitive plural :lol:

Also, both жакет and кардиган are false friends in Russian. We were supposed to learn the correct English equivalents at university but I don't know if I ever understood what they are. :lol:


I have no idea what a кардиган would be if it isn't a cardigan, but if I'd had to guess I would have assumed that a жакет is the jacket on a women's suit? The sort of jacket that you need to wear a coat over when you go outside :D

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13 February
The most exciting thing about today may have been that I went to the dentist. I practised counting to 100 in Russian in my head while I was having things done to my mouth, though I haven't counted this towards the 6WC :lol:

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I was working from home today so didn't get a lot of studying done. I managed a whole 7 minutes of Russian Pimsleur while I went for a walk to the cashpoint this evening :oops:

I did make some more progress with the Penguin book later though, finishing the sections on the instrumental of adjectives and pronouns. I've saved the exercises and a bit more grammar for tomorrow.

Total time = 43 minutes. Streak = 44 days
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Re: Radioclare's 2019 log (Croatian/Russian)

Postby Radioclare » Thu Feb 14, 2019 11:25 pm

14 February
I had to work in town which is really difficult to get to today, so my boyfriend very kindly gave me a lift. This meant I avoided having to get up at 5am, which is probably the best Valentine's present I could have had :lol:

Russian
Another not very inspiring day for Russian, I'm afraid. I got through lesson 11 of Pimsleur while I was waiting for my lift after work in the evening. This one has got loads of numbers and telling the time in it, which is good. I think I must be almost at the limit of where I've managed to get to with Pimsleur previously.

This evening I made a little bit more progress with my Penguin chapter. I did the instrumental exercises and then read a section which tried to explain when to use the instrumental and when the nominative after the verb быть. I think I would probably benefit from rereading this tomorrow because I started drinking wine at this point and lost motivation to continue.

Total time = 55 minutes. Streak = 45 days
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Re: Radioclare's 2019 log (Croatian/Russian)

Postby Radioclare » Fri Feb 15, 2019 10:29 pm

15 February
Another day working at home which was nice because I got a lie in, to make up for the fact that I'm not getting a lie in tomorrow, because I've got to get up early for an Esperanto trustee meeting.

Russian
I don't feel like I've done very well with Russian this week at all. This evening I watched a couple of videos from the Amazing Russian Youtube channel which dealt with weather-related vocabulary.

I also forced myself to log into Memrise, because I didn't log in at all yesterday and I didn't want the reviews to build up too much. It wasn't as bad as I feared, so I had time to learn the 20 remaining words from Chapter 15 of Penguin Russian. That brings me up to 900 words (allegedly!) learned from this book. I was impressed with myself today that, when doing reviews, I managed to correctly spell both пирог and звукоизоляция on the first attempt, so I have definitely learned something. But I still can't remember either пересаживаться or поворачиваться!

I definitely need to try and make some more serious progress with the textbook on Sunday.

Total time = 46 minutes. Streak = 46 days

Croatian
My series peaked this week with an episode where both the bride and groom ran away from their own wedding (separately, I mean) and where the main character returned from the dead. Even by the standards of Croatian telenovela storylines, I thought this was impressive. I'm not really sure where the series has left to go from here :lol:
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Re: Radioclare's 2019 log (Croatian/Russian)

Postby Radioclare » Sat Feb 16, 2019 9:56 pm

16 February
Most of today was taken up by an Esperanto trustee meeting. At least, it resulted in me being out of the house for about 10 hours, once travelling and everything were taken into account. Now I feel more tired than if I'd been at work all day :lol:

Russian
There was no opportunity to do any Russian until I got home this evening. I spent some time on Memrise and focussed on trying to reduce the number of words it had highlighted as being "difficult" for me. I try to blitz these words at least once a week to keep the number under control. Today I practised long enough to get it down to two words which I still can't spell for toffee. I'm not even going to try to type them out again right now; they're the same two I mentioned yesterday :cry:

Once I'd had some coffee, I worked through three lessons (23 - 25) on the Learn Russian RT website. These were practising endings for feminine nouns/adjectives and possessive pronouns and all the exercises were really useful practice :) I stopped at the end of lesson 25 when I saw that lesson 26 was about plurals. I am definitely weaker on plurals.

Finally I watched a couple of videos on Youtube, including one which was an interview with a guy had walked all the way across Russia. Considering he'd done such an interesting thing, he didn't give a very interesting interview!

Total time = 79 minutes. Streak = 47 days
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