Tagalog vs Cebuano

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Re: Tagalog vs Cebuano

Postby baskerville » Fri May 18, 2018 12:13 pm

Amen to that! ;)
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One advantage you have about learning either language is the wonderful, supportive attitude Filipinos have for anybody trying to learn one of their languages. :D


I am a native Tagalog speaker but never learned any other Philippine language. I wanted to learn Ivatan but the resources are so limited. I like Tagalog because of the level of politeness that you can use depending on who you are speaking to.
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Re: Tagalog vs Cebuano

Postby leosmith » Fri May 18, 2018 5:04 pm

baskerville wrote:I like Tagalog because of the level of politeness that you can use depending on who you are speaking to.

Can you use po with ka? If you can, that would give you 3 levels to work with (ka, po+ka, po+kayo)... that's almost Japanesey! :D
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Re: Tagalog vs Cebuano

Postby baskerville » Mon May 21, 2018 1:40 pm

leosmith wrote:Can you use po with ka? If you can, that would give you 3 levels to work with (ka, po+ka, po+kayo)... that's almost Japanesey! :D

Hello leosmith! :)
"Ka" is more familiar and does not take "po". Let's take the example of asking someone if he/she has already eaten. The levels of politeness would be:
Kumain ka na ba? (asking one person) / Kumain na ba kayo? (asking more than one person)
Kumain na po ba kayo? (asking one or more persons)
Kumain na po ba sila? (asking one or more persons)

Sila, as you already know, is 3rd person plural. But in this context, it is a very polite way of referring to someone you are speaking to.
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Re: Tagalog vs Cebuano

Postby leosmith » Mon May 21, 2018 4:53 pm

So you always need to use the plural personal pronoun with po? I did not know that, thanks.

I never use po in conversation, but people often use it when talking to me. In my defense, I almost always "out rank" my conversation partner; I'm older or I'm the customer. What about male vs female - do women tend to use po more often then men?
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Re: Tagalog vs Cebuano

Postby Iversen » Tue May 22, 2018 8:33 am

During my first and so far only trip to the Philippines I bought a small booklet named "Conversational English-Cebuano" by C.S. Canonigo. It is in principle a language guide of the same kind as those from Berlitz, Lonely P and others, but it has one advantage: it gives you a sentence or phrase, and then one more that resembles it, and then a third on etc. This means that you get a chance to make inferences about the mechanics of the language, unlike its competitors, who seem to be determined do make the sentences as different as possible (presumably in an attempt to cover more ground).

For instance "Give me a bit" is rendered as "Tagai ako'g diyutau..". And then the next three entries are "A bit more" (Diyutai pa"), "Bit by bit" and "By bits" (both "Sa tinagidyot"). And "Please, write me" ("Palihug, sulati ako") is followed by "Please, answer my letter" ("Palihug, balusi ang akong sulat"), So now I know that "me" and I" and "my" is "ako" or a variation of it ("Akong", "ako'g") , "Sulat" is letter and "Sulati" is write", "Tagai" is give (and the final -i makes it something like an infinitive, because "sulati" has the same thing).

I bought the book, but didn't go on to actually study the Cebuan language. I did study the formation of verbs in Tagalog, but my tiny Tagalog dictionaries turned out to be insufficient for real studies of the language. However in a bookstore in Manila I also bought - almost by chance - my best English <> Latin dictionary and a good Bahasa Melayu dictionary, and I have since also bought a somewhat larger Tagalog<>English one abroad, so one day I might have a second look at Tagalog - unless of course the English part of speech in the Philippines crowd out the Pilipino part.
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Re: Tagalog vs Cebuano

Postby Whodathunkitz » Tue May 22, 2018 4:25 pm

Iversen wrote:During my first and so far only trip to the Philippines I bought a small booklet named "Conversational English-Cebuano" by C.S. Canonigo. It


Someone turned much of the vocab into a Memrise course. I have the book. I may revisit it some time.
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