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Re: Josquin's Classical Log - Graeca non leguntur

Postby Josquin » Sun Jun 10, 2018 5:58 pm

Systematiker wrote:I was sad you were going (and didn’t comment), now I’m glad your back, all the feels, man...

:lol: :lol: :lol:
Sorry for this inconsistency! It's a bit of a chaotic time for me and a lot is changing right now. I thought I wouldn't be interested in languages for quite some time, but now that things are beginning to settle again, I feel new enthusiasm for languages.

Well, at least I'll continue with Sanskrit. Don't know about any other languages yet, but we'll see.

In any case, languages have quite a different role for me now, so there won't be as many updates as there used to be. As I said, I have a lot to do right now, so Sanskrit will probably be enough for the time being.

Once again, sorry for any inconvenience! It seems the rumours of my death were by far exaggerated, to quote Mark Twain. :lol:
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Re: Josquin's Classical Log - Graeca non leguntur

Postby Random Review » Tue Jun 12, 2018 12:55 pm

Josquin wrote:Hey guys,

I had a look at the books today after a loooong time and I'm definitely going back into languages. As soon as the CIS online course starts, I'll take up Sanskrit again. I just can't miss out on this beautiful language! I had a sneak peek into the next chapter and it was really fun. I can hardly believe it myself, because during the break I had no interest at all, but now I'm back on track... :D

I might even get back into Biblical Hebrew, but more on that later. I read through the last text I had dealt with before quitting Hebrew and I still understood quite a lot. Somehow, my enthusiasm has grown back, don't know why.

Don't know what to do with Ancient Greek though. I'm not very thrilled about it right now, but I might give it another try. Because, hey, who can resist a language that has a strong aorist passive? :P

All this is to say, I'm sorry for causing you grief! I will be back in languages soon. I just have to balance them with the other aspects of my life now. ;)

See you!


Slow down a bit dude, I'm worried you will burn out again. Honestly, it's no wonder your enthusiasm temporarily deserted you, mate.
IMO you should only seriously take up the Sanskrit again for now and take a "study only when I feel like it and only for as long as I feel like it" approach to your other languages. At least until your mojo is securely back, mate.

I'm really happy to see you back. I love reading your log.
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Re: Josquin's Classical Log - Graeca non leguntur

Postby Josquin » Tue Jun 12, 2018 6:00 pm

Random Review wrote:Slow down a bit dude, I'm worried you will burn out again. Honestly, it's no wonder your enthusiasm temporarily deserted you, mate.
IMO you should only seriously take up the Sanskrit again for now and take a "study only when I feel like it and only for as long as I feel like it" approach to your other languages. At least until your mojo is securely back, mate.

I'm really happy to see you back. I love reading your log.

Hey, thanks for your kind advice, but it seems you got the wrong end of the stick. I was neither burnt out nor did my enthusiasm really leave me. It was rather life happening to me and taking priority over language studies.

To be honest, I'm quite an impulsive person ("scanner") and what interests me a lot today can bore me to death tomorrow. So, after passing the final exam of the CIS online course, I took a deliberate break from language studies and fully devoted myself to other occupations and interests.

I won't take up any language "seriously" for the time being, because all I do is studying "when I feel like it". I would never force myself into a dull routine that would only lead to frustration in the long run.

In fact, I did a little bit of Sanskrit, Greek, and Hebrew today again - and it was great! I have a lot of time to fill right now and languages are just the right pastime.

I even thought about doing some Middle Egyptian, as I'm reading Toby Wilkinson's Rise and Fall of Ancient Egypt right now. It might be a little bit too much, but, hey, I'm just following my impulses. At least, I might get some books and store them for another day.

In any case, thanks for your concern, but I'm really doing fine. I haven't felt better for a long time, to be honest.

I'm glad you like my log though! :)
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Re: Josquin's Classical Log - Graeca non leguntur

Postby Ogrim » Wed Jun 13, 2018 1:36 pm

Why am I not surprised you could not stay away from the forum that long? ;) 8-)

It also happens to me from time to time that I kind of drop out of serious langauge learning for a while, I've just been through such a period and that is also why I haven't visited the forum very much over the last few weeks. I failed to announce my departure though...

Anyway, I am glad to read that you are content and relaxed, and if Sanskrit and Greek enthuses you so much the better. Looking forward to your continued contribution to LLorg.
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Re: Josquin's Classical Log - Graeca non leguntur

Postby iguanamon » Wed Jun 13, 2018 2:14 pm

It's always good to read your posts here, Josquin! For most of us, language-learning is a hobby, a pastime, not a necessity or an obligation. While the forum is a good place to get support and be with like-minded people, sometimes because of the social aspect of the forum we can feel a sense of "pressure" about something that we are doing for fun. When it gets to the point that we no longer enjoy it, it's time to take a break and a step back. Sure, we'll lose momentum and for a monolingual beginner, losing momentum can be a serious impediment to learning that first language. For experienced learners like ourselves, it's not as big a deal. As long as you enjoy what you're doing, be that languages, music or other activities, that's what matters most.
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Re: Josquin's Classical Log - Graeca non leguntur

Postby Josquin » Wed Jun 13, 2018 6:38 pm

Thanks guys,

it's always good to hear people are actually interested in my deliberations and musings. Sometimes I think I'm just writing for myself, but it seems that's not true. Anyway, I probably shouldn't have made such a sweeping declaration of leaving the forum when actually I was gone for only a month or so. But, as I said, it was a bit chaotic these last few weeks and I couldn't foresee my interest in language studies would grow back this soon.

WEDNESDAY, 13 JUNE 2018

Be that as it may, I had some awesome weeks without languages and now I'm back on track. Today, I did some Sanskrit again and had a look at Greek. Hebrew is a different ballgame, because the verbal system is a tough nut to crack and it would require serious work to make progress here. I'm not willing to invest hard work at the moment, so I'll just dabble a little bit for the time being.

संस्कृतम्

Anyway, Sanskrit is once again fun. Chapter 13 of The Cambridge Introduction to Sanskrit deals with ī- and ū-stem nouns and with visarga sandhi. The paradigms for ī- and ū-stem nouns aren't that difficult, at least as far as regular ī- and ū-stems are concerned. There are also root stems that differ a little bit in their declension patterns, but they're not that frequent, or so I gather.

Visarga sandhi is the term for sandhi of the word final aspirated sound (written with the sign ः) that occurs in some inflected forms and is derived from word-final /s/ or /r/. It's a bit more complicated than other consonants, but the rules are quite straightforward nevertheless. As long as I don't have to apply visarga sandhi but only recognize it, it shouldn't be a problem.

Ἑλληνική

In Ancient Greek I'm mainly concerned with more third declension paradigms and the comparison of adjectives and adverbs. Pretty simple, I already know most of it from working through Reading Greek. The next unit (47) will introduce the perfect tense, which will be new to me though.

עברית

Biblical Hebrew mainly consists of verbs in the hif'il right now, which consequently means I can hardly recognize verb forms any more. As I said, the Hebrew verbal system is a tough nut to crack and I'm not in the mood to invest all the time and energy that would be needed for doing so. So, I'm taking it easy to avoid frustration for the time being.

r3 n(.j) km.t

Also, I ordered several books for Middle Egyptian. Unfortunately, I can't write the Egyptian name for "Egyptian" in hieroglyphs (yet), so I'll use the scientific transliteration for the time being. These are the books I ordered:

  • Bussmann, Richard: Complete Middle Egyptian
  • Allen, James: Middle Egyptian. An Introduction to the Language and Culture of Hieroglyphs
  • Collier, Marc; Manley, Bill: Hieroglyphen entziffern - lesen - verstehen
  • Echnaton: Sonnenhymnen (Ägyptisch/Deutsch)

Gaeilge

Last but not least, I'm thinking about getting back to Irish rather sooner than later, but that will have to be planned carefully. Otherwise, linguistic ragnarök will be upon me, or at least total chaos... :lol:

Okay, in any case, it's good to be back and I'll be careful with big announcements in the future!
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Re: Josquin's Classical Log - Graeca non leguntur

Postby IronMike » Fri Jun 15, 2018 1:04 am

Josquin wrote:r3 n(.j) km.t

Also, I ordered several books for Middle Egyptian. Unfortunately, I can't write the Egyptian name for "Egyptian" in hieroglyphs (yet), so I'll use the scientific transliteration for the time being. These are the books I ordered:

  • Bussmann, Richard: Complete Middle Egyptian
  • Allen, James: Middle Egyptian. An Introduction to the Language and Culture of Hieroglyphs
  • Collier, Marc; Manley, Bill: Hieroglyphen entziffern - lesen - verstehen
  • Echnaton: Sonnenhymnen (Ägyptisch/Deutsch)

The Allen book is awesome. I love it, although I would have rather had an instructor or guide while using it. I can highly recommend the Hoch book we're using for the Middle Egyptian "GlyphStudy" group. If you need info on how I got it for a very reduced price, PM me.
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