Ani wrote:Systematiker wrote:
I've also got to admit to myself, and everyone, that this is my limit. I simply won't be able to add anything that isn't replacing something. Even if/when I get some of these active study languages to a point where consumption and enjoyment is my major activity in the language, I'll have an upkeep routine that will prohibit other additions without dropping something. I'll have to accept rust and "change time" on things I do minimal upkeep on, but the alternative is probably to drop them, so in that light it's a decent deal.
Aww. This is kind of sad. I miss the days gone by when someone would propose an obscure language and you'd be off chasing that ball Maybe this will just be a plan that is subject to change like your log title. You've probably been working too hard. Maybe you can devise some cyclic maintenance plan so next time Elania comes by and says "hey... We need to learn Komi-Zyrian" You're ready to jump on board.
I totally still reserve the right to dabble in obscure projects! This is just “it” in terms of languages that are going to have long-term retention. It’s one thing to say “hey, this is cool, and I’ll get to like A2, or maybe even B1, because it’s fun to play with” and another to say “ok, I’m adding this and putting in the effort to get where I can read that language’s literature, and watch cinema, and get conversational enough that even when I leave it, it’s rust and not true loss.” It’s kind of what I’ve decided about Basque and Gaelic (and prior to that Welsh, and my plan for Galician) - lots of fun, play a bit, maybe get somewhere, but it’s ok if I forget it all or don’t keep it up (and, it’s ok if I don’t get anywhere! That’s a hard one for me).
That also leaves me space to dabble in something, and if I love it, make adjustments as necessary - whether that’s accepting more loss elsewhere or straight dropping something.
Expugnator wrote:I've been having similar thoughts in my log, and I have in mind that I want to keep discovering distant languages, so I think related languages can be confined to a minimum with no big losses. I don't think you can lose passive fluency you've gained in a language such as Portuguese, for example.
All this to say: if I'm only able to study a limited number of languages which are at the same priority level, I'd always favor the opaque/semi-opaque ones. One weekly podcast of 15 minutes is totally okay for maintenance, and if the time comes when you need to use one actively (a trip for example), you can always warm-up. Or you can exchange some messages in the language every once in a while, just to toggle that language's mode in your brain.
In my case it would be ok to do even less French and Papiamento than I'm doing (10 min a day for French and around 15 for Papiamento). Now the way things are I can't foresee NOT working on a language daily, and having a weekly or bi-weekly maintenance schedule laid over the daily one is a new complication, but that might happen as the time comes when I feel I've "finished" a language.
I actually caught up on your log after writing this! I actually may take some of your insight about maintenance amounts, which would free up some space as well. I mean, it’s not like I want to be done. I also may get more space out of dialing back than I anticipate - this is all kind of in response to a situation where I found my previous amount of engagement untenable, and I’m looking for a pensum I can keep up even when I’m super short on time (you’re certainly inspiration for this). So yeah there’s at least space to flirt with e.g. Swahili when we get around to it as a group, I’m just relatively sure that it will be a “fun project” rather than a “new addition.”
And in addition to all of this, yet more changes.
My suspicion about those resources for Ukrainian and Czech was right - free and legal, but not quite the spirit of the FLC.
I’ll accept it for Ukrainian, which means my best resource now is that podcast and synergy from Russian. So I’ll even drop my use of streaming music (not that I listened to more than a couple hours worth anyway) and continue it as a “pure” FLC, which also means that it can’t take too much time as I don’t have the resources to spend that much time on it.
However, I’m considering giving up the FLC restrictions for Czech. I’ve fallen in love with the language and I was seeing good progress with what I was doing, but I just want more (not to spend more money, mind you, I’m still cheap, I just want to leverage the courses I found). I’m going to have a huge imbalance, too, without some kind of exercises (e.g. I read a few newspaper articles out of Dnes last night but I can’t produce correct conjugations). Yet the competitive part of me isn’t quite ready to bail on the challenge. I’ll decide this week.