Rdearman 2016/17/18/19 [Remember if we get caught, I'm deaf and you don't speak English]

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Re: Rdearman 2016/17/18/19 [Remember if we get caught, I'm deaf and you don't speak English]

Postby rdearman » Wed Apr 10, 2019 3:32 pm

Well as per normal I haven’t been doing much actual study time. However, I continue to watch various series in Italian and I believe it is doing me some good, although that is still unproven. I continue to have a reduced amount of language exchanges with people. In the main I speak with one French lady and one Italian lady. Mainly because they are very persistent in booking time with me to speak. I’ve also discovered by talking to them that they are doing 3-7 language exchanges per week. Which means they are doing 12-28 conversations per month. 3-7 exchanges are what I was doing at my peak per day. They report the same problem as me, which is when you taper off even for a little while the old brain starts to shed what it doesn’t use on a regular basis.

So, while I have been at my new job the rust is building up on my speaking skills, and I probably need to do something to address this.
I have moved on to another series called Rocco Shiavone which is a detective series based on a set of books by an Italian author. The TV series is brilliant, so I went to Amazon and got a couple of the books for my Kindle and I’ve started to read what I thought was the first one, but in fact was the second book. Anyway, the books are much more detailed (as you would expect) but because I have already seen the TV show I have no trouble following along with the book. The TV show follows the plot of the books very closely.

Otherwise not a lot happening. I’m all signed up for the gathering, got accommodation and flights, so I’m all ready to go. Looking at the list of speeches it does seem to be heavily slanted toward beginners, which is one of the reasons I suspect that Iversen didn’t get through. I’ve said before I really don’t understand this configuration of talks since I rarely see anyone there without at least 3 languages on their badge, so they really aren’t the target audience for a beginner how-to.

Luckily, I’m not trying to illuminate or educate my audience but rather just talk about my experiences with language exchanges. But if anyone is going, please make sure to find me and say hello.
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Re: Rdearman 2016/17/18/19 [Remember if we get caught, I'm deaf and you don't speak English]

Postby lingua » Thu Apr 11, 2019 2:05 am

I've read the first four Schiavone books and watched the first two episodes of season 1. I bought DVDs and they are poor quality, unfortunately. Maybe because I read the books first I found the TV series lacking in details. I think the books are fantastic so it's nice to hear that someone else is also enjoying them.

But, you really need to read the books in order. While the first two are stand alone once you get to the third one it is somewhat incomplete and the fourth has followup of the third plus a new case. I just started the fifth book and it is the same in that it's following up with a murder that took place in the third book and it will reveal all regarding Rocco's wife.
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Postby rdearman » Thu Apr 11, 2019 9:52 am

Yes, I stopped reading the second book and went back and got the first one so I am now reading them in order. It is a bit disappointing that he hasn't made every book stand-alone. But I understand that the author wants to have an overarching story arc.
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Re: Rdearman 2016/17/18/19 [Remember if we get caught, I'm deaf and you don't speak English]

Postby rdearman » Sun Apr 14, 2019 8:59 pm

Another boring post about all the study I haven't done. Look away now if you don't want to see all this rambling and moaning repeated.

I've seriously not done any work with languages for a long time now, and I really don't see myself doing any more work in the immediate future. I'm going to the gathering but not really holding out much hope of showing any improvement in any language that I've listed myself as studying. In fact, I'm positive that both vonPeterhof and Zenmonkey have surpassed me in Setswana. But hey, I'm the "typhoid Mary" of languages, I'm just a carrier and don't seem to get infected myself.

Last week I needed to write some Italian, just a couple of short lines and it was horrible. I can't spell for toffee in Italian, so even though I could have said the couple of paragraphs I needed to write, it was impossible to write without the help of word reference and google. This doesn't really bother me that much, but it does make me think I should fix the problem. And it doesn't bother me enough to make me want to invest hours and hours learning Italian spelling or working with PenPals.

I do listen to at least 2 hours of Italian for 4 nights each week. Most nights it is normally 3-4 hours. So in the last 6 weeks I've listened to at least 48 hours of Italian. My comprehension seems to be improving (I think) but seriously 48 hours isn't that much when you figure in the same timespan I received at least 288 hours of exposure to English. So six times the amount of English as Italian, and French only got a couple of hours tossed in from the side on the odd occasion.

I have picked up some reading time in Italian because of starting to read the Rocco Schiavone books. But I'm only about 15% of the way through one book. Reading in Italian is a much more difficult thing for me than French. But this is because you get good at what you do more often, and I've read a lot more French than Italian. Reading only happens for about a 1/2 hour on the days where I get a bit of extra time at lunch to read, or when I'm sitting in the hotel waiting for food at night. I've also got a couple of books in English I need to complete and they are competing for time.

Last week I tried a little of the intensive listening for a short segment of one of the shows in order to try and boost comprehension. The main issue here is that I'm lazy and I really don't want to spend a lot of time doing this sort of stuff. So I just watch, and the sometimes I re-watch a show. Each re-watching seems to bring some more understanding. So I have no idea if what I'm doing is actually helping me.

I remember s_allard complaining about how people could say they understand x% of a show since it wasn't like a book where you could underline unknown words and then do the maths. Still in my arbitrary study of one, I think the percentage of Italian I'm understanding has increased by about 1-2% over previously. Which a back-of-the-fag-packet calculation means I should understand 100% of the Italian TV's after only another 294 weeks. About 5 and half years more. Nice. AJATT once said something about doing 10,000 hours of listening. Which might help me, although at this rate it will take 16 years. Camionisti in Trattoria has just started season 3, so I should have some more to watch soon. :)

My plans for the rest of this year is to do the above with a couple of LE's mixed in each week. I should do clozemaster and all the rest, but seriously cannot bring myself to do any actual study for any period of time. Mine are not the habits you should emulate if you're wanting to actually learn something.
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Re: Rdearman 2016/17/18/19 [Remember if we get caught, I'm deaf and you don't speak English]

Postby rdearman » Tue Apr 16, 2019 8:45 pm

I am getting worse at French, and I never really was very good. Tonight my French friend and I tried to challenge ourselves. I was tasked with describing how an airplane flies in French. So... Just a few of the words I didn't know:
  • Airflow
  • Wing
  • Aileron (Which it turns out is a French word)
  • Climb
  • Lift
  • Flaps
  • Fuselage
  • Landing gear
  • Pitch, Roll, Yaw
  • Rudder
  • Thrust

She wants another challenge next time, and decided we'd both explain a recipe. Which is where I have a slightly unfair advantage since I like watching food shows and have subscribed to a couple of them in French on YouTube. So I can cheat.

So if you're looking for a challenge, or just want to see how crap you really are at language exchanges try some of these.

  1. Explain how an airplane flies
  2. Describe how a mechanical pencil works
  3. Explain how your brain commands your body to walk, how the muscles contract, etc.
  4. Describe the similarity between Cars and Cows, or Dogs and Doughnuts, or Friends and Furniture.
  5. Explain the rules of a game of rock-paper-scissors
  6. Explain why the moon doesn't crash into the earth.
  7. Describe how to deep sea fish
  8. Explain the respiratory system.
  9. Explain how magnets work.
  10. Describe how a turbine generates electricity?
  11. Explain the principles of a lever.
  12. Explain how and why carbon dating works
  13. Explain why a "factoid" isn't actually a fact.
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Re: Rdearman 2016/17/18/19 [Remember if we get caught, I'm deaf and you don't speak English]

Postby Brun Ugle » Tue Apr 16, 2019 8:56 pm

I can explain all of those in two words. It’s magic!
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Re: Rdearman 2016/17/18/19 [Remember if we get caught, I'm deaf and you don't speak English]

Postby rdearman » Tue Apr 16, 2019 9:23 pm

Brun Ugle wrote:I can explain all of those in two words. It’s magic!

So how do you say "It's Magic" in Japanese (without looking it up!)
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Re: Rdearman 2016/17/18/19 [Remember if we get caught, I'm deaf and you don't speak English]

Postby Adrianslont » Wed Apr 17, 2019 2:28 am

I can’t explain those things in my native language.

If you can, you are a very learned, articulate man, rdearman!
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Re: Rdearman 2016/17/18/19 [Remember if we get caught, I'm deaf and you don't speak English]

Postby eido » Wed Apr 17, 2019 3:03 am

rdearman wrote:So how do you say "It's Magic" in Japanese (without looking it up!)

"Mahou desu"? "魔法です"? I have a feeling that's too literal, though. And no, I didn't look up the words, but I did look up the spelling.
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Re: Rdearman 2016/17/18/19 [Remember if we get caught, I'm deaf and you don't speak English]

Postby Brun Ugle » Wed Apr 17, 2019 6:12 am

I would be interested in hearing more about how you conduct your language exchanges. How do you find/pick a good partner? How do you choose a topic beforehand? How do you prepare for it?

I think you must do more studying than you claim to do. I know basically how airplanes fly, but I’d still need to prepare myself before talking about it, both to look up all the vocabulary and to make sure I could explain it well. Even in English, I’d struggle to do it off the top of my head and have to go back and correct myself and add all the bits I forgot.
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