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Re: Reading French

Postby ロータス » Fri May 17, 2019 12:40 am

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ロータス wrote:Found a French Youtuber who seems interesting


Who?


Went on France Trending, looking for something to listen to while doing the exercises and found Dooms playing UNO with I suppose her two friends. I like gaming videos and enjoy her editing style. Looking at her channel she is also playing a game in English while saying the French translation out loud and another game(looks like an otome) in French with text that she also reads aloud. Of course right now to me she is speaking too fast but hopeful after Assimil, I can rewatch her A.S.Campus Life videos.
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Re: Reading French

Postby ロータス » Sat May 18, 2019 3:39 am

17 May 19
Chapitre 5 of Le Français par la « méthode nature » + les exercices
L-R to Lesson 1 of Assimil NFWE
Listen to a few Unit 0 videos of Learn French with Vincent

Notes:
  • Ch5 was easier to read than Ch4. I think they are the same length but Ch4 was just so boring. A lot of numbers and day/month words.
  • Will read and do the Résumé in Ch5 tomorrow.
  • French seems to use << for "
  • Need to google about the difference between à and en
  • Just learned that if you hold down the vowel keys on Mac with the French keyboard, there is a pop up that shows all the letters with the accent marks on them x.x
  • Noticed today that 'il/ils' and 'elle/elles' sound the same. You don't pronounce the 's'?
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Re: Reading French

Postby Morgana » Sat May 18, 2019 5:13 am

ロータス wrote:Noticed today that 'il/ils' and 'elle/elles' sound the same. You don't pronounce the 's'?
The plural ‘-s’ ending is always silent, according to the Assimil course. It gets mentioned in lesson 22 for sure and I think I ran into the explanation in at least one earlier lesson, too. ETA: Also lesson 4 and lesson 7 (review lesson).

There are other pronunciation oddities like that (at least from an English native’s perspective), but it will come together as you keep going.
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Re: Reading French

Postby Ser » Sat May 18, 2019 7:38 pm

ロータス wrote:Still iffy if want to bother with learning IPA, never used or seen it before so not sure if worth it or not. Is it as simple as going to a website to hear the French to IPA sounds, hmm...

I think getting used to conventions for transcribing a particular language with the IPA is useful if it is commonly used in dictionaries or related tools. This is the case with French.

Regarding General IPA... It's interesting in its own right but not really necessary, unless you're interested in languages other than the commonly learned ones and you want to use resources linguists make (especially when intended for other linguists), or the topic of speech therapy.

Note that General IPA is not the same as the IPA conventions of a particular language, some of which are quite old and are almost conventional alphabets on their own right. For example, the French vowels normally transcribed "[ɔ ɛ̃ ɔ̃]" in French IPA conventions would be [ʌ æ̃ õ] in General IPA (when describing usual Parisian accents), and the English "[u ʌ 3˞]" sounds would be General IPA "[ʉ ɐ ɵ˞]" (when describing most American accents).

I've been studying Russian recently and I've been astounded by how bad/outdated the Russian IPA conventions are. Descriptions of Russian pronunciation typically transcribe the -ая -aya ending as [əjə], but if you hear recordings of -ая words on Forvo you'll mostly hear [əj] or simply [ə]. In some cases -ая seems to be skipped entirely, as in this recording of Москательная линия Moskatél'naya líniya, which linguists would transcribe as [mɐskəˈtʲelʲnʲəjə ˈlʲinʲɪjə] but I actually hear [mɐskəˈtʲelʲnʲ ˈlʲinʲɪə] (no [əjə]).
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Re: Reading French

Postby ロータス » Sat May 18, 2019 11:20 pm

18 May 19
L-R to Lesson 1 of Assimil NFWE
Listened to Lesson 2 of Assimil NFWE
Listened to a few Unit 0 videos of Learn French with Vincent
Chapitre 5 Résumé of Le Français par la « méthode nature »
Chapitre 6 of Le Français par la « méthode nature » + les exercices

Notes:
  • ?,!,: and <</>> require a space before and after them. This must be a new rule because I don't see it in Le Français.
  • Finished listening to Unit 0 of Learn French with Vincent.
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Re: Reading French

Postby Lianne » Sun May 19, 2019 2:17 am

ロータス wrote:Notes:
  • ?,!,: and <</>> require a space before and after them. This must be a new rule because I don't see it in Le Français.
  • Finished listening to Unit 0 of Learn French with Vincent.

I don't know if it's a new rule or not, but it does seem to be inconsistently shown in learning resources, in my experience.
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Re: Reading French

Postby ロータス » Mon May 20, 2019 1:37 am

19 May 19
Listened to a few Unit 1 videos of Learn French with Vincent
L-R to Lesson 1-2 of Assimil NFWE
Chapitre 6 Résumé of Le Français par la « méthode nature »

Notes:
  • The "Learn French with Vincent" videos don't feel very useful anymore. He just goes over words and not sentences :s Maybe need to jump around his units or just stick with Assimil.
  • I'm remembering the sentences in Lesson 1/ I know what I'm going to hear before it plays
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Re: Reading French

Postby ロータス » Mon May 20, 2019 11:19 pm

20 May 19
Chapitre 7 of Le Français par la « méthode nature » + les exercices
Listened to Lesson 1 of Assimil NFWE

Notes:
  • Really liked Ch7. It seems like for French, adjectives go after the noun. Also learned about 'des' which seems like a plural 'a' in French
  • The exercises are getting harder. This chapter had to remember which gender the words are so I know which adj to put
  • Added French Stuff to first post
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Re: Reading French

Postby MorkTheFiddle » Mon May 20, 2019 11:39 pm

ロータス wrote:[*]Noticed today that 'il/ils' and 'elle/elles' sound the same. You don't pronounce the 's'?
Morgana wrote:
ロータス wrote:Noticed today that 'il/ils' and 'elle/elles' sound the same. You don't pronounce the 's'?
The plural ‘-s’ ending is always silent, according to the Assimil course. It gets mentioned in lesson 22 for sure and I think I ran into the explanation in at least one earlier lesson, too. ETA: Also lesson 4 and lesson 7 (review lesson).

Just to let you know, Assimil is correct, but in French there is the phenomenon of liaison when a letter of the s/x/z family ends a word. Start with Wikipedia on liaison I guess to get a handle on liaison. You'll need to know something about the so-called mute h, too. But take the pronunciation of French one step at a time, and know that even native French speakers get confused about liaison from time to time. My two cents, anyway.
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Re: Reading French

Postby MorkTheFiddle » Mon May 20, 2019 11:50 pm

Lianne wrote:
ロータス wrote:Notes:
  • ?,!,: and <</>> require a space before and after them. This must be a new rule because I don't see it in Le Français.
  • Finished listening to Unit 0 of Learn French with Vincent.

I don't know if it's a new rule or not, but it does seem to be inconsistently shown in learning resources, in my experience.

I don't know whether any authoritative French grammars exist on the internet, but I suggest you use the space with all those punctuation marks. If I pick up a French book at random from my shelves, I see a couple of quotations and at least one colon: all with the space. (Pages 174-175 of L'été meurtrier*, Sébastien Japrisot, Éditions Denoel, 1977.)
* The capitalization of titles also follow different rules (sometimes).
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