Mork the Fiddle's 2019 Log

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MorkTheFiddle
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Mork the Fiddle's 2019 Log

Postby MorkTheFiddle » Fri Feb 08, 2019 7:25 pm

This log will be for my comments about Ilini, a website for French videos with interactive subtitles and games.
The site is free to try, but it limits free users to three videos a month. There are two paid levels: one at $5.99 per month or $59.99 per year and one at $9.99 per month or $99.99 per year.
The lower level provides (1) Unlimited access (2) an Interactive Player (bilingual subtitles, dictionary & slow motion), (3) Online Quizzes (4) My Vocabulary (collects all words clicked on the subtitles) (5) Flashcards.
The upper, more expensive level provides all of that plus (6) transcripts and translations In PDF format and (7) PDF exercises (gapfills, word scrambles and other vocabulary & listening games).
The videos come in beginner, intermediate and advanced sections covering the topics of news, culture, music, entertainment and ideas. There is a separate section for Teachers.
I paid for the cheaper level and don't know anything about the Teacher section. But though I paid, I get 10 days free for a trial run.

Yesterday I watched my first video, an intermediate video called "What Do the French Eat for Breakfast?" It is an excerpt of the show La Quotidienne aired Sept. 22, 2015. Here, without Ilini's subtitles, of course, is the url for the segment: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Ks2wdQDOFY.
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MorkTheFiddle
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Re: Mork the Fiddle's 2019 Log

Postby MorkTheFiddle » Fri Feb 08, 2019 9:05 pm

To continue my previous post.

The video "What Do the French Eat for Breakfast?" lasts 3.33 minutes and contains 698 total spoken words. I did not count them more than once, so the figure can't be regarded as exact. That works out to about 210 words per minute. I will be curious to see how that compares to beginner and to advanced videos. From the very few I saw, I detected no difference in the speed of the conversations. The three different levels may be based on conceptual content, not speed of conversation.

There did not seem to be any slang in the video, and the subtitles were almost if not quite 100% accurate.

More next time.
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MorkTheFiddle
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Re: Mork the Fiddle's 2019 Log

Postby MorkTheFiddle » Sun Feb 10, 2019 7:30 pm

Taking a cue from Leosmith's fine post on HTLAL, "Listening from the beginning," http://how-to-learn-any-language.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=26634, starting today I plan to listen to 30 minutes a day of French on Ilini. This morning I watched 13 videos. Eleven were at the Beginner Level and two at the Intermediate level and ranged in length from 21 seconds to 2:39 minutes. I intended to count the number of words in one of the Beginner videos to compare the words per minute of the Intermediate video I watched yesterday, but it became quickly obvious that in terms of speed the Beginner videos are no slower than the Intermediate videos (in spite of what I might have said earlier). The topics were News, Culture, Entertainment, and Ideas. I did not listen to any videos from the Music category because I prefer Lyrics Training for that.

Without the provided French subtitles, I would have been lost. I did not need the English subtitles. I didn't do any of the exercises nor mark any of the vocabulary for flash cards. None of the words today was as interesting to me as "dès potron-minet" was yesterday (at the crack of dawn), which I had never heard or seen before.
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MorkTheFiddle
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Re: Mork the Fiddle's 2019 Log

Postby MorkTheFiddle » Thu Feb 14, 2019 2:59 am

Today's listening to Ilini.com was derailed by a visit to a French tutor at the local Alliance Française. Taking a cue from Iguanamon, as I have said (he talks about it in a couple of places, one of which is here https://forum.language-learners.org/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=9631&p=124483&hilit=tutor#p124483), I hired a tutor for one hour to help me go through the first episode of a French mini-series called Le Mystère du lac, which ran in 2016. Perhaps modeled on the Danish nail-biter of 2007, The Killing (Danish title Forbrydelsen: NB I don't know any Danish at all).

I hired the tutor a week ago, but on the night of that day I just happened onto some Internet blogs that were exactly what I was looking for: voices in often rapid-fire French with French subtitles. But having made the appointment, I decided to follow through with it.

What I was hoping for was someone who could go through the episode with me and repeat in French what I did not understand. There are, by the way, English subs for all five episodes. From what others have said on this forum, I know finding a good tutor is not easy, but I have no complaint about mine today. She was knowledgeable, very well prepared, and repeated dialogue exactly the way I wanted. It was money well spent. Oh, and we got through only 8 minutes :!: of the episode in 40 minutes before I mentally crapped out.

Using a tutor, however, is not the way for me to go. When I listen to the French in blogs, sometimes I can barely follow along even with a transcript. The first one I listened to the other night sounded like a different language from French, and listening to it was like a brand new experience for my brain, like reading Wittgenstein for the first time. This is a different realm from easy-to-understand documentaries on Youtube or even more difficult audio books like Balzac's Cousine Bette (http://www.litteratureaudio.com/index.php?s=bette&sbutt=Ok).

Soon I will run out of videos on Ilini.com. Except for those I really, really like (only one of them so far, a lecture on parallel universes in a TEDx talk by Christophe Galfard), I don't intend to watch them again.
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Re: Mork the Fiddle's 2019 Log

Postby MorkTheFiddle » Sun Feb 17, 2019 8:02 pm

The number of videos that I have watched on Ilini.com is now up to 62, not counting today's viewing still to come.
Yesterday I checked out a couple of the on-line quizzes that the site offers: four or five questions about the content of the video. Paying attention, you should get them all correct. The content of the videos continues to be if not earth-shaking at least interesting. Not getting the full package of transcripts and what-not limits me from making a full evaluation, but it certainly seems worth the money to me. The sound is good and clear, the French sub-titles are almost if not quite 100% accurate, and the site has always been available when I wanted to log on.
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Re: Mork the Fiddle's 2019 Log

Postby MorkTheFiddle » Tue Feb 19, 2019 12:49 am

Today the 100th video was watched, and I cleaned out the offerings from Culture. Most interesting, as always.
Today I noted the url that is a source for many of the beginner videos https://www.1jour1actu.com/
The site seems to be designed for kids, but the short videos at any rate are acceptable adult fare. Of course, no subtitles, but they are a source of more comprehensible language.
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