47 hours of French so far only 12 days into February.
I did lots of reading with regards to passing C1/C2 exams and planning and goals, an aspect I've always been too vague on, I think. I wrote up a plan month by month, in terms of which materials to tackle
Sarafina wrote:I'm really happy that you're back. I admire your honesty and your ability to self-reflect.
Sarafina wrote:47 hours of French so far only 12 days into February.
That's incredible. I've always be in awe at your work ethic. But this is really a whole new level. I can see how although it's an impressive amount, it can be difficult to sustain.
Sarafina wrote:I did lots of reading with regards to passing C1/C2 exams and planning and goals, an aspect I've always been too vague on, I think. I wrote up a plan month by month, in terms of which materials to tackle
Would you mind posting links to that information or elaborating on your readings to passing the C1/C2 exam? I want to pass the C1 exam sometime in the distant future one day so it'll make a useful read.
Do you also mind talking about your monthly plans?
I love reading about other people's plans even though I struggle to follow my own. I am consistently readjusting my plans.
It will most certainly take me longer that 5000 hours since I am a slow learner, but your honesty throughout is greatly appreciated. I am seriously applying myself by investing serious time(hours), so I am hoping for serious results.PeterMollenburg wrote:
Carmody wrote:
Peter
Could you do me a favor and remind of how many hours and years you approximate for your study of French? Did you say about 4000 hours and 5-6 yrs? I am a pretty slow learner in my French studies and guesstimate it would probably take me about that much time.
Thanks.
Hey Carmody,
Take a look at the post by smallwhite at the top of this page of my log. There are a couple of links there that my provide you with some clarity regarding your question. Also there is a post half way down page 85 of my log where I answer rdearman and discuss hours studied thus far with French. It's a scary figure, but to clarify - I did many many restarts between 1997 when I started and 2013 in French (not to mention Spanish, Dutch and German - French more so). Thus the 1800 hours of French mentioned in that post to rdearman on top of the 3200 hours is a total guess and could literally be cut out because I did restart literally in 2013. It was 2014 when I really got serious though. And still I repeated a number of courses I had already completed, so the 3200 hours from 2013 to now could substantially be cut back further still... I think with 2000 hours and not too much repetition (a bit is good), decent results could be had. Furthermore it does seem to appear that I'm beyond the B2 level, but that is based on my B2 results and feedback from tutors. Another thing to add. Okay 2000 hours (roughly) could be cut back substantially if one didn't care about accent. I'm very very particular about my French accent, and I sincerely believe it has potentially as much as doubled my study hours. Although now I don't lose too much time on perfecting accent, in the early stages I spent a massive amount of time working on it when it's all added up. Also- the learning process has been slow. I spent sooo much time fiddling with flashcards. All in all this is what happens with the first language one attempts to bring up to an advanced level- lot's of trial and error.
In short roughly 5000 hours total.
But from my 'serious start' to now: 3200 hours.
Next language, I think I'll halve that time, honestly.
Carmody wrote:Peter
Many thanks for your sharing so much; greatly appreciated.
Question: Is French In Action no longer a part of your study plan?
Also, thanks so much for your comments:It will most certainly take me longer that 5000 hours since I am a slow learner, but your honesty throughout is greatly appreciated. I am seriously applying myself by investing serious time(hours), so I am hoping for serious results.PeterMollenburg wrote:
Carmody wrote:
Peter
Could you do me a favor and remind of how many hours and years you approximate for your study of French? Did you say about 4000 hours and 5-6 yrs? I am a pretty slow learner in my French studies and guesstimate it would probably take me about that much time.
Thanks.
Hey Carmody,
Take a look at the post by smallwhite at the top of this page of my log. There are a couple of links there that my provide you with some clarity regarding your question. Also there is a post half way down page 85 of my log where I answer rdearman and discuss hours studied thus far with French. It's a scary figure, but to clarify - I did many many restarts between 1997 when I started and 2013 in French (not to mention Spanish, Dutch and German - French more so). Thus the 1800 hours of French mentioned in that post to rdearman on top of the 3200 hours is a total guess and could literally be cut out because I did restart literally in 2013. It was 2014 when I really got serious though. And still I repeated a number of courses I had already completed, so the 3200 hours from 2013 to now could substantially be cut back further still... I think with 2000 hours and not too much repetition (a bit is good), decent results could be had. Furthermore it does seem to appear that I'm beyond the B2 level, but that is based on my B2 results and feedback from tutors. Another thing to add. Okay 2000 hours (roughly) could be cut back substantially if one didn't care about accent. I'm very very particular about my French accent, and I sincerely believe it has potentially as much as doubled my study hours. Although now I don't lose too much time on perfecting accent, in the early stages I spent a massive amount of time working on it when it's all added up. Also- the learning process has been slow. I spent sooo much time fiddling with flashcards. All in all this is what happens with the first language one attempts to bring up to an advanced level- lot's of trial and error.
In short roughly 5000 hours total.
But from my 'serious start' to now: 3200 hours.
Next language, I think I'll halve that time, honestly.
Thank you.
No wonder I’m a PM 
PeterMollenburg wrote:I'm just going to dribble a little here...
So... I'm facing a dilemma. It's one I face on a weekly basis. What to do with my language studies or really, what to do with my time. Something else is vying for my attention. I'll call it my next language, but it's in the form of a sport. Marathon kayaking. My father represented Australia numerous times, won international marathons, broke records, won gold at the Commonwealth Games and I trained with him throughout my teenage years and for a little in early 20s. Now the urge is back. My ego wants me to go for gold at over 40 years of age (marathon kayakers can cope at world class standard up to 50yo and potentially a little beyond). This German kayaker for example has had a massive amount of success from early age and beyond 40 and she was a sprinter (use more fast twitch muscle, thus career less likely to last): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Birgit_Fischer. Problem is, I have a family, I have French, and I have more languages on my list, the river is not close to my home... dammit. Is this just my ego, or is this realistic? I certainly am a dreamer
In my case, I tend to look to other activities when I'm bored or when I'm convinced that I've found the one thing that would make my life complete or somehow make my Earth into a Heaven. I have to realize that not any one activity will likely do this, so perhaps I just need to make what I currently do more exciting. I've been skimming through the latest topics on the forum and can't find anything that's riveting enough to hold my attention. Case discussions are too much for my fatigue -carbohydrates/lack of sleep/more exercise than usual- induced tired body. Mind you somewhere in that discussion I got a faint sense of wanting to learn Russian. Nice idea, but stupid idea (no time - 76 other languages to learn). And I keep thinking the forum is quiet lately, even before I threatened to leave. Perhaps we've discussed everything to death? Or at least others, with my brain power have. Where's the excitement? I need to create some... controversy! I need to make outlandish statements and back them up with little evidence and then get pissed off when people start picking holes in my weak arguments, because I can't be bothered forming decent ones.... etc etc
I do believe that smallwhite has made a good point (one of many of her good points) that on HTLAL, people did experiments and crazy things all of the time: on here, not so much, thus the fewer "intriguing" discussions. On the other site, people did controversial challenges, like doing Assimil Hebrew in two weeks, and such things. 
I am considering all options of moving to Europe: going to school there, getting a job there, or marrying there. Xenops wrote:PeterMollenburg wrote:I'm just going to dribble a little here...
So... I'm facing a dilemma. It's one I face on a weekly basis. What to do with my language studies or really, what to do with my time. Something else is vying for my attention. I'll call it my next language, but it's in the form of a sport. Marathon kayaking. My father represented Australia numerous times, won international marathons, broke records, won gold at the Commonwealth Games and I trained with him throughout my teenage years and for a little in early 20s. Now the urge is back. My ego wants me to go for gold at over 40 years of age (marathon kayakers can cope at world class standard up to 50yo and potentially a little beyond). This German kayaker for example has had a massive amount of success from early age and beyond 40 and she was a sprinter (use more fast twitch muscle, thus career less likely to last): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Birgit_Fischer. Problem is, I have a family, I have French, and I have more languages on my list, the river is not close to my home... dammit. Is this just my ego, or is this realistic? I certainly am a dreamer
I think you answered your own question.
Xenops wrote:PeterMollenburg wrote:I've been skimming through the latest topics on the forum and can't find anything that's riveting enough to hold my attention. Case discussions are too much for my fatigue -carbohydrates/lack of sleep/more exercise than usual- induced tired body. Mind you somewhere in that discussion I got a faint sense of wanting to learn Russian. Nice idea, but stupid idea (no time - 76 other languages to learn). And I keep thinking the forum is quiet lately, even before I threatened to leave. Perhaps we've discussed everything to death? Or at least others, with my brain power have. Where's the excitement? I need to create some... controversy! I need to make outlandish statements and back them up with little evidence and then get pissed off when people start picking holes in my weak arguments, because I can't be bothered forming decent ones.... etc etc
I've had a couple of post ideas, maybe I should go ahead and post them.
Btw, I blame you for posting that video in the Nordic study group, and for making me watch it, and for contemplating meeting someone to marry in Europe, and for setting up an account at a dating site and spending more time than I should on said site.
? Edit: Also if you could kindly request from their government that these courses be all made in various base languages (i’ll take Faeroese from a French base thanks!).Users browsing this forum: Cavesa and 3 guests