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Xmmm
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Re: Xmmm's Russian log

Postby Xmmm » Sat May 07, 2016 4:03 am

Русский


Неотправленное письмо is another top notch Soviet film from the 1950s. Highly recommended!

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Cinematography again by Sergei Urusevski, who also did Cranes Are Flying and apparently was some kind of visionary genius in the world of film. And similarly to Cranes Are Flying, this a case where a fairly ordinary story turns into something explosive just because of the camera work.

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: 4142 / 10000 10000 minutes


Norsk


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Re: Xmmm's Russian log

Postby Xmmm » Sun May 22, 2016 1:20 am

Ugh. Bodyslammed by life. Have to cut back languages a bit next couple months.

Русский

I've gone back to reading White Guard. It's easier for me than three months ago. On chapter 10 (about halfway).

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Very well made.

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Norsk

In maintenance mode right now.

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Re: Xmmm's Russian log

Postby geoffw » Sun May 22, 2016 3:10 pm

Xmmm wrote:
I've gone back to reading White Guard. It's easier for me than three months ago. On chapter 10 (about halfway).



So then what's with the Sherlock Holmes pic?
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Re: Xmmm's Russian log

Postby Xmmm » Sat May 28, 2016 10:34 pm

Русский

I'm on Chapter 17 of белая гвардия. Great book, and great miniseries available on youtube (about 5 hours total). I'm halfway through that. Part 1 takes its time getting started, but the evil Ukrainian Nationalists show up in Part 2 and things take off from there.

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I also watched брат 2:

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брат 2 is an entertaining movie, but it pretty much lacks 100% of the moral depth of the original. It seems (?) like this was an intentional choice. They didn't think they could match the first film on that angle, so they went in a different direction with the sequel.

Or so it seems to me. I enjoyed брат 2, but it's not going on my top ten list.

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Norsk

Nothing.

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Re: Xmmm's Russian log

Postby Xmmm » Sun Jun 05, 2016 4:50 pm

Русский

I finished Белая гвардия and started Архипелаг ГУЛАГ. Even though Архипелаг has daunting vocabulary (18000 unknown words for me just in book one), Solzhenitsyn's style is clean, and he has this incredibly mordant sense of humor which I find very appealing (and the book would be unreadable without it, because otherwise it's just a long list of atrocities).


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Norsk

Nothing, really.

I missed 4 or 5 days of Duolingo due to work and personal issues (Russian comes first when I'm pressed for time).

When I went back to Duolingo, a lot of my tasks were ungolded and I was back to dealing with ducks and ants for the thousandth time. And I sort of decided "the heck with it." I guess I'm the anti-Peter Mollenburg, and have never found an independent study course I could finish.

If you are a native speaker of English, who was an English major in college, and who has studied some German -- Norwegian is pretty straightforward. If the word order doesn't always resemble modern English, it often resembles older forms of English that I'm familiar with.

In Russian, if I see something like "лезвие ножа" everything comes to a halt while I figure out what it means. Whereas "knivbladet" doesn't exactly slow me down.

I read the first Chapter of Odinsbarn. It is a YA novel, and it is in the language which is probably closest to English. I had to look words up, but it wasn't a puzzle from start to finish like 'Собачье сердце' was.

So ... I'm thinking ... what do I need Duolingo for at this point? My vocabulary is enough to get started on a YA novel, and the grammar in the novel appears to be simple enough.

Right now I don't really have time to read L3 and am not organized to read outside of Lingq, but hopefully I can get my act together soon.

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Re: Xmmm's Russian log

Postby Xmmm » Sat Dec 17, 2016 10:27 pm

A family crisis derailed my studies for several months. Back on track, now.


Русский


I'm reading Пикник на обочине intermittently. About 20% done. But I'm trying to concentrate more on the canned LingQ lessons that have audio. Lots of эхо москвы, etc. It's easy for me to focus just on reading, so I'm trying to make an effort to do L+R.

I gave up on Italki after about 50 hours. I realized I was getting really good at speaking really bad Russian, and was also training my tutors to understand really deplorably bad Russian. I will wait and get more passive exposure.

Known Words: 8694
Words Read: 1184589

Norsk

Abandoned! I think from the beginning Norwegian was a bit of a compromise choice. German would have offered more resources and usability. Icelandic would have been cooler and more esoteric. Will get back to Germanic languages some other time. I already know one, anyway. :)



Italiano

Trying to learn this one as an experiment in 2017, using only LingQ.

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Words Read : 2484
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Re: Xmmm's Russian log

Postby Xmmm » Fri Dec 23, 2016 8:16 pm

Русский

I tried reading some short articles on hockey and on history. It was all right, but started getting dull pretty quickly.

I will get back to Эхо Москвы transcripts and пикник на обочине.

: 9179 / 20000 Words Known (2017 goal 20000)
: 1210954 / 2000000 Words Read (2017 goal 2 m)
: 36 / 200 Hours Listened (2017 goal 200)


Italiano

I went bananas here this week in typical tyro fashion. I'm looking for the equivalent of Эхо Москвы but not finding it.

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: 16841 / 500000 Words Read (2017 goal 500000)
: 2 / 100 Hours Listened (2017 goal 100)
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Re: Xmmm's Russian log

Postby Xmmm » Tue Dec 27, 2016 8:09 pm

Русский

More Особое мнение. As much as I like it, I do feel a bit trapped in the eternal wasteland of intermediate levelness. I'm going to increase my listening target for 2017 to 300 hours. It's just so much easier for me to read with the sound off--very easy for me to say "I'll listen next time" and keep procrastinating on the listening.

I've also finally purchased the Glossika books for Russian. I thought that course was pretty good (my Russian accent while regurgitating the Glossika sentences is good, whereas when I speak Russian ad hoc I can tell I sound very American). What made me quit Glossika before was that when I got to day 60 of the GSR files, the sentences got too long for me to decipher exactly what was being said. Without the book, it was impossible to proceed, etc.

: 9606 / 20000 Words Known (2017 goal 20000)
: 1244728 / 2000000 Words Read (2017 goal 2 m)
: 39 / 300 Hours Listened (2017 goal 300)


Italiano

I signed up for "News in Slow Italian". I'm downloading all the "intermediate" texts and recordings. For the recordings, I'm picking the 'fast' option (maybe at 80% of normal speed?).

Even if the records are only 90 seconds long, there are about 800 of them so I have plenty to do here.

I feel like I'm making good progress here over the last 10 days. Perhaps if 2017 goes more smoothly than 2016 I can sign up for a B1 test ...

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Re: Xmmm's Russian log

Postby Xmmm » Tue Jan 03, 2017 3:29 pm

Русский

More and more Особое мнение. Approximately 45,000 words of audio and transcripts, new, every week.

: 10507 / 20000 Words Known (2017 goal 20000)
: 1289233 / 2000000 Words Read (2017 goal 2 m)
: 44 / 300 Hours Listened (2017 goal 300)
: 3 / 100 Glossika GSR 1


Italiano

I'm learning a lot of words fast from News in Slow Italian ... but a lot of them are cubano, siriano, dinosauri, etc.

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: 44335 / 500000 Words Read (2017 goal 500000)
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Re: Xmmm's Russian log

Postby Cavesa » Tue Jan 03, 2017 8:12 pm

Xmmm wrote:I gave up on Italki after about 50 hours. I realized I was getting really good at speaking really bad Russian, and was also training my tutors to understand really deplorably bad Russian. I will wait and get more passive exposure.
ould have been cooler and more esoteric. Will get back to Germanic languages some other time. I already know one, anyway. :)


Thank you! it is comforting to read the same experience in someone else's log. We are not crazy and and stupid not to follow all the "just speak and speak" advice. Getting good at speaking badly/brokenly/false-beginnerishly/intermediatishly is a real thing and danger. Long live self study and lots of input! :-D And even longer live tons of self-study in between speaking sessions.

(Sure, I am not telling anyone to avoid speaking completely, it is just not the panacea. Right now, I am experiencing several months of using French actively for hours every day, and I haven't improved. And I experienced the same thing previously at various phases of learning various langauges.)
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