Lawyer&Mom, Less is More (French & German)

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Re: Lawyer&Mom, Less is More (French & German)

Postby Cavesa » Wed May 25, 2022 6:46 pm

Lawyer&Mom wrote:How come no one told me CLE Grammar Progressive is so freaking good!?! I kid, I kid, obviously everyone loves this series, but I’ve only just started with it. I had a mediocre experience once with a different CLE grammar book and that kind of put me off grammar books in general, but the Progressive series is just delightful. Such an incremental progression! So much built in review! It’s a real course, not just a disjointed reference book with drills. I’ve started at the Debutant level, because I like my grammar to be ridiculously easy and this is just dreamy. I’m confident I will still enjoy it when I get to the higher levels and concepts I’m less familiar with. I had been using French by the Natural Method for easy grammar, but I think this meets my needs even better. I still admire that course, but I really don’t need the graded reader aspect that it does so well.


Am I a joke to you?! :-D :-D :-D All those posts, all those laudatory comments? It's almost weird how much I praise it, I swear I am not paid by CLE for it (I wish I was)! At times, I've even worried I'd get disliked for such monotematic and constant praise anytime French learning resources get discussed!

Glad to see you excited! You're bound to improve so much!
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Re: Lawyer&Mom, Less is More (French & German)

Postby Lawyer&Mom » Wed May 25, 2022 8:57 pm

Cavesa wrote:Am I a joke to you?! :-D :-D :-D All those posts, all those laudatory comments? It's almost weird how much I praise it, I swear I am not paid by CLE for it (I wish I was)! At times, I've even worried I'd get disliked for such monotematic and constant praise anytime French learning resources get discussed!

Glad to see you excited! You're bound to improve so much!


I’m sure it was your posts that encouraged me to try CLE again after being burned by their Grammaire expliquée du français. That was like drinking from a fire hose! And I stupidly started with the intermediate level too! Ugh. I’m sure it’s a wonderful reference book, but it is *not* a course. The Progressive series might be my favorite language resource ever, which is saying a lot!
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Re: Lawyer&Mom, Less is More (French & German)

Postby Lawyer&Mom » Sun Jun 19, 2022 1:11 am

Russian has gone the way that Chinese went, and Irish before that, and, well, Russian before that. I hit the 90 day mark, more or less, and realize that while I deeply enjoy playing with an opaque language, especially on Clozemaster, I just don’t have the bandwidth to commit to this side project, and I need to focus on French. Someday, when my kids are older and I’m probably retired it will be grand to take on multiple language projects. Someday! At least I only bought one new book for this latest detour…

Speaking of French, things are going swimmingly. I finished the CLE Grammar Debutant, and jumped right into Intermédiare. It’s lovely to circle back through all the topics, but it’s a much thicker book and progress will be measured more slowly.

My kids continue to astound me with their French. They watch some French TV everyday and it amazes me when they know a French word I haven’t taught them. The current obsession is Adele Mortelle, which just confirms that comics are the way to go with language learning. Short and punchy keeps them hooked! Adele is quite naughty, and they love her. Wouldn’t be a bad resource for an adult beginner either.
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Re: Lawyer&Mom, Less is More (French & German)

Postby jeffers » Thu Jun 23, 2022 10:30 am

Lawyer&Mom wrote:I’ve started at the Debutant level, because I like my grammar to be ridiculously easy and this is just dreamy. I’m confident I will still enjoy it when I get to the higher levels and concepts I’m less familiar with.


I read this post a month ago, and this stuck in my head--"I like my grammar to be ridiculously easy"--and I've kept thinking "why not?" I had done some work with the intermediate book last summer, but always stalled in my progress. Then last week I noticed a used copy of an slightly older edition of the debutant grammar going on Amazon for just a few pounds, so I decided to follow your example. Ironically, the corrections booklet cost about three times as much, but it was still cheaper than buying the latest edition. I'm finding it way too easy, but still interesting enough to trundle through, and I think it's never a bad idea to review the basics. When I finish I'll get back to the intermediate book, which I hope will be fairly easy by that point!

Thank you for the inspiration!
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Re: Lawyer&Mom, Less is More (French & German)

Postby Lawyer&Mom » Thu Jun 23, 2022 5:15 pm

jeffers wrote: I'm finding it way too easy, but still interesting enough to trundle through, and I think it's never a bad idea to review the basics.


The difficulty of the debutant book ramps up very gradually, and by the end is the same as the beginning of the intermediate book. I know we heap praise on the series, but this gradation of difficulty must have been very tricky to pull off, it really is genius.
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Re: Lawyer&Mom, Less is More (French & German)

Postby Lawyer&Mom » Fri Jul 01, 2022 12:36 am

Found something in Amanda’s language log that is a total game changer for me: https://bonpatron.com/
It’s a free website aimed at language learners that checks your French writing for grammar mistakes. This is a dream come true. I need to practice my writing but I often avoid the writing prompts in my Grammar books because I can’t easily correct them. Now I can!

Obviously a website can’t find every mistake, but it more than meets my current needs.

Can’t believe I hadn’t even heard of this site before now.
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