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Re: Dutch Study Group

Postby tommus » Sat Mar 21, 2020 11:49 am

Here is the fifth article about Nene, the little girl from Hungary who was adopted in the Netherlands to Italian/Dutch parents. She seems to be on her way to becoming quadrilingual.
Nene is zes jaar oud en nu ongeveer 10 maanden in Nederland
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Re: Dutch Study Group

Postby tommus » Tue Mar 24, 2020 12:53 pm

Tellen, turven en toetsen.

This combination of these three Dutch words showed up in my reading. It took me a long time to make any sense out of them as a group. They seem to be used in schools in relation to teaching math. As far as I can determine, turven, which literally means "to turf", means tally. Tally is a common English word to mean count up, such as a score. But turven seems to more directly mean a method of tallying that we all use and that is putting a line through four vertical lines to mean five. I II IIII IIII. The Dutch and English Wikipedia pages are very interesting.

Dutch turven

English tally

That led me to the use of turven in an unusual sport that I have never heard of that is played mainly in Flanders in Belgium; Vinkensport. You've got to read this to believe it.

Vinkensport (Dutch)

Vinkensport (English)
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Re: Dutch Study Group

Postby chove » Sun Apr 12, 2020 2:48 am

tommus wrote:Here is the fifth article about Nene, the little girl from Hungary who was adopted in the Netherlands to Italian/Dutch parents. She seems to be on her way to becoming quadrilingual.
Nene is zes jaar oud en nu ongeveer 10 maanden in Nederland


I could read most of that, which surprised me! I know a tiny bit of Dutch and a bigger bit of German. Dutch is the language I am Officially Not Learning in that I sort of *am* learning it but I don't want to admit that because I have too many languages already. But I love how it sounds.
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Re: Dutch Study Group

Postby tommus » Fri Apr 24, 2020 7:53 pm

Here is the sixth article about Nene, the little 6-year old girl from Hungary. She seems to be making great progress in Dutch. Interesting how her new parents are teaching her their languages during this self-isolation time.

Drie stukjes in speelgoeddoos
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Re: Dutch Study Group

Postby tommus » Wed May 20, 2020 11:45 am

Now the seventh article about Nene, this time with photos of her and her new parents. And she is learning the Dutch "rrrrr".

Nene is six and has now been in the Netherlands for exactly a year.

Nene is zes en nu vrijwel precies een jaar in Nederland.
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Re: Dutch Study Group

Postby tommus » Sun Jun 07, 2020 7:36 am

I often come across Dutch words ending with "-zinnig", which basically means that it has the quality of the first part. Not so difficult. One of the common ones is dolzinnig meaning crazy or insane. But I wondered just how many -zinnig Dutch words there are, and if you can pretty much add -zinnig to a lot of words and it might not be a real word but it would be understood. And I think that would be the case.

But I wondered also what are the most common -zinnig words. I found out that it is not easy on the Internet to search for parts of words. In many applications, you can use a wild card search such as *zinnig and get a list of matches. But Google and most search engines do not support such searches within words. But I did find one very useful search site that does, and it is a multi-language dictionary.

https://www.wordsense.eu/

You can search with a dash, like -zinnig. So WordSense.eu provided five such Dutch words. It defines -zinnig as "endowed with the quality of the stem (used to form adjectives)".

I then did more searches and overall managed to find over 20 such words. Dutch learners may find them useful. Dutch natives might wish to comment or add some more common -zinnig words.

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diepzinnig   profound, deep
dolzinnig   crazy, mad, insane
dubbelzinnig   ambiguous, uncertain
eigenzinnig   quirky, stubborn
fijnzinnig   delicate, subtle
geheimzinnig   mysterious, secretive
kloekzinnig   crazy, screwed-up, prodigious
krankzinnig   insane, crazy, mad
kunstzinnig   artistic, artful
lichtzinnig   frivolous, rash, light-headed
loszinnig   loose, lax
ondubbelzinnig   unambiguous, unequivocally
onrechtzinnig   unjust, irrevelent
onzinnig   nonsensical, absurd, ridiculous, inept
rechtzinnig   orthodox, upright, sincere, straightforward
scherpzinnig   sharp, astute, smart, clever, astute
stijfzinnig   stiff, rigid, starchy
stompzinnig   stupid, idiotic
uitzinnig   outrageous, frenzied, delirious, crazy
vrijzinnig   free-spirited, liberal-minded, broad-minded
waanzinnig   crazy, insane, amazing, mad
zachtzinnig   gentle, softhearted, meek
zinnig   sensible, useful, meaningful
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Re: Dutch Study Group

Postby Legolas » Thu Jun 18, 2020 6:07 pm

Hi, friends!

Can you please help me. There is no Answer Key in Intensive Dutch Course, even though we expected to find it there, as it is mentioned at Routledge website at Table Of Contents. We cannot learn it without it. They didn't put it on their website either.
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Re: Dutch Study Group

Postby HillMilly » Tue Jul 07, 2020 8:05 pm

Wat leuk dat mensen Nederlands leren.
Ik zal proberen te helpen.
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Re: Dutch Study Group

Postby tommus » Sat Aug 01, 2020 9:01 pm

Dutch "het" nouns are always a challenge for Dutch language learners. I decided to keep a list of the "het" words I encountered in my readings to help me decide on the most common "het" words. So for me, those are the ones I probably should know. And by recording them, I have discovered that they max out at not all that many. So here is my list:

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het aantal
het antwoord
het bed
het been
het begin
het bericht
het bestuur
het bezoek
het bier
het blad
het boek
het bord
het bos
het brein
het brood
het centrum
het cijfer
het debat
het deel
het detail
het dier
het diner
het domein
het donker
het dorp
het eerste
het effect
het ei
het eiland
het einde
het enkelvoud
het feest
het feit
het gat
het gebied
het gebouw
het gebrek
het gebruik
het geld
het geluid
het gesprek
het getal
het geval
het gevolg
het geweld
het glas
het haar
het hart
het hoofd
het horloge
het hotel
het huis
het idee
het instituut
het internet
het jaar
het journaal
het kenmerk
het kind
het laatste
het laboratorium
het land
het landschap
het leger
het leven
het licht
het materiaal
het meervoud
het meeste
het mes
het midden
het milieu
het moment
het museum
het nieuws
het niveau
het noorden
het nummer
het onderwijs
het onderzoek
het ontbijt
het ontwerp
het oog
het oor
het oosten
het openbaar
het opstijgen
het paar
het paleis
het papier
het park
het plafond
het platteland
het probleem
het programma
het project
het publiek
het punt
het rapport
het restaurant
het resultaat
het ruimtevaartuig
het seizoen
het skelet
het spel
het station
het stel
het strand
het systeem
het tekort
het thema
het toilet
het universum
het uur
het vaartuig
het verhaal
het verleden
het verkeer
het verslag
het verzoek
het vlees
het volk
het vuur
het water
het weer
het werk
het westen
het geweten
het wild
het woord
het ziekenhuis
het zout
het zuiden

It's probably a good idea to convert these using text-to-audio or by reading them yourself, and ingrain them into your consciousness.

Here are some excellent sites on the Internet that help with sorting out "het" nouns:

Essential Dutch grammar a list of het-words

Het nouns

When is it DE or HET? – strange rules about the usage of DE and HET
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Re: Dutch Study Group

Postby tommus » Sun Aug 02, 2020 11:45 am

Remember your best teachers in school or university? They probably taught you the material but, more importantly, inspired you to learn. Here is a very long but very accessible article by a teacher/professor who was so inspired, and has spent his life inspiring his students. The article has a wealth of thoughts on effective teaching and effective learning. It is also an excellent guidebook for new or aspiring teachers and professors. Very useful reading.

And it has both a Dutch and an English version.

Wat was er echt belangrijk in mijn academisch leven?

Looking back: What was important?
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