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Re: Le groupe français 2016 - 2019 Les Voyageurs

Postby Sarafina » Wed Mar 06, 2019 1:49 pm

I never knew this but FranceCulture has some programs that have basically a transcription as part of the accompanying text. This is really useful for people that want to listen to actual native French content but want to double-check their comprehension. They're really useful if you like/want to use dictation as part of your strategy in improving your listening comprehension.
https://www.franceculture.fr/emissions/ ... -bellanger This looks really interesting and it's usually around a little over 3 minutes long on average. It's great for intensive listening without feeling completely mentally drained by the end of it.
https://www.franceculture.fr/emissions/ ... es-idees-0 Same for this one but it's 5 minutes long instead.
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Postby MamaPata » Mon Mar 18, 2019 8:09 am

Just a reminder that there is just under 24 hours left to vote in the poll to decide what the forum book group reads in April.

https://forum.language-learners.org/vie ... 23&t=10232

There is one book originally written in French.
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Postby Klara » Mon Mar 18, 2019 1:52 pm

Sarafina wrote:I never knew this but FranceCulture has some programs that have basically a transcription as part of the accompanying text. This is really useful for people that want to listen to actual native French content but want to double-check their comprehension. They're really useful if you like/want to use dictation as part of your strategy in improving your listening comprehension.
https://www.franceculture.fr/emissions/ ... -bellanger This looks really interesting and it's usually around a little over 3 minutes long on average. It's great for intensive listening without feeling completely mentally drained by the end of it.
https://www.franceculture.fr/emissions/ ... es-idees-0 Same for this one but it's 5 minutes long instead.

Not only FranceCulture but also FranceInfo or RFI have quite often such partial transcriptions with their programs. To improve my listening comprehension I choose the podcast "Le brief éco": https://www.francetvinfo.fr/replay-radio/le-brief-eco/

After reading the headline only, I listen attentively to the two and a half minute program, just following the flow of the language. Then I read the text, make sure that I understand roughly each paragraph. I put only the most interesting words or phrases with a translation into my vocabulary software (Langenscheidt, German product). Then I read the text aloud. Finally, I listen again to the podcast with closed eyes. All in all, I need about half an hour to get through.

The program is broadcasted Monday to Friday and I have been listening to it for about two weeks. But the result was amazing, although totally unexpected at this early stage. Last Friday, I started listening as usual and something really odd happened. Out of the blue, I understood nearly every single word! :o That was quite a strange experience, because I heard an endless word-flow in high-speed, but could also identify the single words within this flow, even if I didn't know the exact meaning.

Frankly, I hardly could believe it. :? So, I slept on it and the day after, I listend again and then to another éco-podcast from the first week, same result. Then I tried RFI Français facile, which I found last year still to be too fast for me. First thing that came into my mind: What a comfortable rate of speaking. And I did not miss a single word. Only then I allowed myself to be over the moon. :D
Today, I listened the whole morning to French radio, just because I could understand it - I know, this is odd. :geek:

That said, I am not a high-flyer, but a diligent student of the French language. Last August I picked it up as a false beginner - I did some learning in 2014. Each day I spend one to two hours on my core learning material - textbook in French/German, extra grammar and the above mentioned vocabulary software. So, I have a solid foundation in grammar and also a solid word pool.

On RFI Savoirs I did the placement test and the result said: you are definitely A2 and on the way to B1, which is absolutely correct. :!:
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Postby MorkTheFiddle » Mon Mar 18, 2019 11:16 pm

Klara wrote:Last Friday, I started listening as usual and something really odd happened. Out of the blue, I understood nearly every single word! :o That was quite a strange experience, because I heard an endless word-flow in high-speed, but could also identify the single words within this flow, even if I didn't know the exact meaning.

Frankly, I hardly could believe it. :? So, I slept on it and the day after, I listend again and then to another éco-podcast from the first week, same result. Then I tried RFI Français facile, which I found last year still to be too fast for me. First thing that came into my mind: What a comfortable rate of speaking. And I did not miss a single word. Only then I allowed myself to be over the moon. :D
Today, I listened the whole morning to French radio, just because I could understand it - I know, this is odd. :geek:
Welcome to the Club! The same thing has happened to me listening to an audiobook (though faster speeds of speaking continue to elude me).
And thanks for recommending RFI Français facile!
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Postby DaveAgain » Tue Mar 19, 2019 8:19 am

Today I've learnt a new-to-me phrase.

"n'avoir que faire" > I don't care.

https://fr.wiktionary.org/wiki/n%E2%80% ... _que_faire

I came across it in a play called 'occupe toi d'Amelie' by Feydeau.

"Je n'ai que faire dans cette entrevue de famille! " > deepl.com translation: "I don't care about this family interview!"

"Oh! mais je n'en ai que faire! " > deepl.com translation: "Oh! But I don't care!"

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N'avoir que faire de quelqu'un ou de quelque chose, N'en avoir aucun besoin.
Si vous n'avez que faire de ce livre, prêtez-le-moi. Ce sont des bibelots dont je n'ai que faire. Il n'a plus que faire d'étudier, il en sait assez. Je n'ai que faire de vous présentement, allez où vous voudrez.

On le dit aussi Pour marquer qu'on ne fait nul cas d'une personne ou d'une chose.
Je n'ai que faire de lui ni de ses visites.

On se sert encore de la même manière de parler Pour faire connaître qu'on désapprouve quelque chose, qu'on le trouve mauvais.
Je n'ai que faire de vos discours, de vos réclamations.

http://www.cnrtl.fr/definition/academie8/faire
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Re: Le groupe français 2016 - 2019 Les Voyageurs

Postby Klara » Tue Mar 19, 2019 10:58 am

@Mork - Thanks for the warm welcome ;)

Although you all most probably know the site, I would like to bring it again to your attention.

https://www.fun-mooc.fr

I've already completed two courses, Vivre en France A1 and Verdun d'hier à aujourdhui - the latter was only possible because due to the topic, they also provided transcripts in German.

Now I have subscribed to Vivre en France B1 and two other courses:

Renforcer ses compétences orthographiques (March 27 to May 08) https://www.fun-mooc.fr/courses/course-v1:unicaen+48002+session02/about

Le Tourisme, c'est culturel (May 20 to July 30) https://www.fun-mooc.fr/courses/course- ... on01/about
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Postby badger » Tue Mar 19, 2019 11:27 pm

could anyone recommend a French grammar textbook that would take me up to B1 level, & ideally to B2 too, but without being off-puttingly encyclopedic (& expensive), if such a thing exists.

I've been doing quite well with my vocab & conjugation recently, but am struggling a bit with stringing it all together in anything other than fairly simple sentences, so some grammar would probably be quite helpful. ;)

any suggestions gratefully received. :)
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Re: Le groupe français 2016 - 2019 Les Voyageurs

Postby tomgosse » Wed Mar 20, 2019 1:16 am

badger wrote:could anyone recommend a French grammar textbook that would take me up to B1 level, & ideally to B2 too, but without being off-puttingly encyclopedic (& expensive), if such a thing exists.

I've been doing quite well with my vocab & conjugation recently, but am struggling a bit with stringing it all together in anything other than fairly simple sentences, so some grammar would probably be quite helpful. ;)

any suggestions gratefully received. :)

If you are up to it I would suggest these books:
Grammaire Progressive du Français - The text book
Grammaire Progressive du Français Corrigés - The answer book

A couple of notes:
The book is all in French. Invest in good paperback French/English dictionary to help you read the instructions.
The answer book (corrigés) has to be purchased separately.
This was the book used in my French class.

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Postby MamaPata » Thu Mar 21, 2019 7:33 pm

Does anyone have any recommendations for blogs or sort of news sites? I tend to go to slate.fr to find French articles to read, but I'd like some other options. I'm interested in history, cinema, culture, sexuality, gender, identity, politics... most things! I don't really want to read anything too right wing or about sport.
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Postby badger » Fri Mar 22, 2019 12:12 am

tomgosse wrote:If you are up to it I would suggest these books:
Grammaire Progressive du Français - The text book
Grammaire Progressive du Français Corrigés - The answer book

merci Tom. :)

they've got a cheek milking students for another $20 for the answer book on top of $40 for the main book!

I've ordered a £3 second-hand copy of the Bescherelle "La Grammaire Pour Tous" for now & will see how I get on with that before buying anything else.
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