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Re: Le groupe français 2016 - 2019 Les Voyageurs

Postby Carmody » Thu Feb 14, 2019 12:21 pm

Bienvenue et Bon Courage!
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Re: Le groupe français 2016 - 2019 Les Voyageurs

Postby iwanttolearn » Sat Feb 16, 2019 2:03 am

garyb wrote:
iwanttolearn wrote:So far I'm only using Duo, TTC and Paul Noble, I'm trying to figure out a schedule that lets me use all of them, given that I only have 2 hours a day to practice.


Easy: just work on one or at most a few at a time, move onto others when you're finished, and maybe skip the ones that overlap too much. Working through lots of courses in parallel that cover the same ground seems a little crazy, although two hours per day is plenty for a beginner and many would argue that if you have that much time it'll be more interesting and effective to split it between two or three resources rather than slogging through several lessons of one.

I'd drop Rosetta Stone as it's universally considered awful and in any case it's redundant with all the other and better courses on your list, and to plan more effectively perhaps separate the other resources into beginner-level (Pimsleur, MT, Paul Noble), intermediate material that will be much more useful once you're past the beginner stage (podcasts, Harry Potter), and things that are accessories to other study rather than comprehensive courses in themselves (Duolingo, Memrise). I've never heard of The Great Courses so I'm not sure where that fits in.

I'll leave it to the real "course experts" to suggest which order could be most effective, but in my opinion what you have in your list is more than enough to learn the basics. You might just want something to help bridge the gap between the basics and "real" language like Harry Potter and podcasts and TV; Assimil is a good course for that (and is highly recommended in general, but I don't think it's the most appropriate for absolute beginners), and learner-oriented podcasts are helpful too. But you can worry about that when you come to it.


Thank you for your suggestions
I'm not a absolute beginner per se though, what I find with PN and MT is that they don't do much re written French, I don't know if Rosetta Stone is useful in that respect.
BTW this a review of The Great Courses https://forum.language-learners.org/vie ... 059#p79320
Again, thanks.
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Re: Le groupe français 2016 - 2019 Les Voyageurs

Postby iwanttolearn » Sat Feb 16, 2019 2:06 am

Carmody wrote:Bienvenue et Bon Courage!


Thank you.
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Re: Le groupe français 2016 - 2019 Les Voyageurs

Postby Carmody » Sun Feb 17, 2019 2:27 am

Just a reminder to all who enjoy reading books in French, that I have set up a thread for you over in
Language Programs and Resources section under

A French Book Reading Resource
https://forum.language-learners.org/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=10113

If you want ideas on books to read or want to share your reviews of what you have read in French please do join us.

All are welcome!
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Re: Le groupe français 2016 - 2019 Les Voyageurs

Postby Sayonaroo » Tue Feb 19, 2019 12:46 am

Sayonaroo wrote:I have a tip for beginner/intermediate people to get more French reading in. So recently I got the idea to watch the America drama You from lifetime (surprisingly good considering that it's on lifetime) with the original English audio with French subs. Of course just doing that bothered me so I wrote down words/phrases down in English as I watched whenever there were French words on the screen I didn't know that I wanted to know. Writing the French words down is just not practical because there are accent marks and I'm not used to French spelling and I do not pause the episode to write the words down. Then I ran the episode through subs2srs and filter the lines using the list of words/phrases I had. I then took the French dialogue from the .tsv file that was generated and ran it through deepl and reverse context so I have more stuff to reference while doing anki reviews. Then I import the .tsv into anki without the audio field ( I don't need the video file of the episode since I'm only trying to grab the dialogue in the English subtitles and the corresponding lines in the French subtitles. However you have to enter a video or audio file longer than 45 minutes for subs2srs to run.). Also I do not use the default anki settings (it's set so good cards are pushed out 5 days and easy cards are pushed over 7 days and I have only 1 step of 2400). I am aware of the limitations of this since there's no French audio involved here and because I just mass generated cards off subs2rs using subtitles.

I definitely think as a beginner this activity is more productive than watching some show in French with no subs... I plan on doing activities that involve reading and listening after I learn more words. I have no desire to watch American shows dubbed in French so all I have in mind is French stuff with transcripts...

The advantage of this is that I get words in sentences or phrases that I want to learn, I have context, the sentences are sometimes are very fun, I get to learn from dialogue (I absolutely prefer learning from dialogue when I'm a beginner/intermediate over articles. I just have no motivation trying to remember stuff that I will never hear anyone say. It's one of the many reasons why I don't care for duolingo. Also the idea of learning a bunch of words by category is absolutely unappealing to me.), and the anki cards are relatively easy to generate. I generated like 500 cards watching 5 episodes and it took 15 minutes?? As I do my reviews I mercilessly suspend cards if there are any cards that are too easy, redundant, or whatever other reason. This activity is a form of multi-tasking in a way. I would've watched this show with no subs or English subs anyway if I hadn't thought to try this. However, I definitely won't do this with every American drama I watch since some of them are more demanding to watch.


So I found out about morphman plugin for anki from MattVSJapan and it makes this even better!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dVReg8_XnyA

https://massimmersionapproach.com/table ... /morphman/

The plugin is useful for anyone who has a lot of NEW cards in anki whether it's because you dump a lot of cards in there or use a pre-made deck.
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Re: Le groupe français 2016 - 2019 Les Voyageurs

Postby MorkTheFiddle » Thu Feb 21, 2019 1:03 am

MorkTheFiddle wrote:
Carmody wrote:Edit to add: I will report my findings in a new log: https://forum.language-learners.org/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=10087&p=132909#p132909

Changed my mind about where to put this review. Here it is.
I've seen 104 videos, and I'm going to wrap this up.

Price Plans
    Free. Limit of three videos with subtitles per month. For some, that might work. There are, rough guess, 150 videos.
    $5.99 (or $59.99 for a year). Unlimited number of videos, online quiz, and the opportunity to save vocabulary (just click on the word in the subtitle) for later study and flash cards.
    $9.99 (or $99.99 for a year). Same as $5.99 plus transcripts.
In any case, you are not obligated for any length of time.

Topics of Videos
News: lots of French politics, Macron and LePen, not any stab and slab.
Culture: food, literature, museums, and so on.
Music: mostly contemporary pop.
Entertainment: TV, movies and so on.
Ideas: runs the gamut. Astronomy, environment and so on.

Levels
    Beginner
    Intermediate
    Advanced

As I said before, there was not much difference among the three levels except perhaps for cognitive content.

General Comments
I watched all or very nearly all of the Culture, Entertainment and Ideas categories, as much News as I could stomach, and two or three from Music, which is geared, understandably enough to the young. I did recognize the names Zaz, Brel and Stromae.

The times ran for the most part from a minute or less to three or four minutes. A couple running around eleven minutes were in the Ideas category, and they were my favorites mostly, I think, simply because they were longer. None of the videos were of merely trivial content playing to the masses.

Conclusions
First, TV5Monde evaluated my level in French as A2/B1 (seems right). There was no video, Beginner or otherwise, that I could understand properly without the French subtitles. I never used the English subtitles.

I think that the variety of topics, the good visual and audio quality, and the price make at least a look-see worth your time if you are looking for fodder for intensive listening. There are, of course, other sites out there with videos and/or podcasts with subtitles or transcripts and that are free and that you might also want to investigate.

I put some other small details here: https://forum.language-learners.org/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=10087&p=132896#p132896
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Re: Le groupe français 2016 - 2019 Les Voyageurs

Postby DaveAgain » Thu Feb 21, 2019 2:06 pm

*STOP PRESS*
TV5MONDE - now online for free in Great Britain

TV viewing habits are changing. So are we! As of 30th Nov 2018 there’s no need to pay for Sky or Virgin to watch TV5MONDE.
Anyone in the UK can now enjoy the same channel live 24/7 on this page, for free - and in HD! Anytime, anywhere, with French or English subtitles – or no subtitles at all. Your choice.

Watch here: http://europe.tv5monde.com/en/live
Email: live-uk@tv5monde.com



http://europe.tv5monde.com/en/distribut ... ry_tid=148

EDIT
You can watch recent programmes via revoir.TV5Monde.com.
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Re: Le groupe français 2016 - 2019 Les Voyageurs

Postby Carmody » Wed Feb 27, 2019 3:02 am

We all know that Macron is conducting a debate in town hall meetings throughout France. What people may not know is that they are televised and offer a unique opportunity to hear lots of French spoken from different regions. In addition to being wonderfully lengthy they are as well informative re what the issues are right now for the people and for Marcron.

Here is a sample:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZYbRkBnTFIM
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Re: Le groupe français 2016 - 2019 Les Voyageurs

Postby Cavesa » Wed Feb 27, 2019 3:19 am

Carmody wrote:In addition to being wonderfully lengthy they are as well informative re what the issues are right now for the people and for Marcron.


I think saying "wonderfully lengthy" about any politician's speeches is for the YKYALLN thread :-D
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Any tips on French fantasy/scifi, or something with a good dubbing, please? I am right now hating Star Gate Universe and probably won't continue watching it and the dubbing is a large part of it and I've tried and discarded two or three more series lately. The speech actors sounded wrong for the real actors, and it was all weird, no like the good dubbings I've experienced in past. I need something helpful against despair, a bit heroic, and captivating. Original would be better, but I have no clue why the original francophone tv series and movies are lagging so far behind the books, when it comes to my favourite genres.
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Re: Le groupe français 2016 - 2019 Les Voyageurs

Postby Cèid Donn » Wed Feb 27, 2019 4:32 am

Stargate: Universe was a terrible series. The writing was directionless and the cast was about as charismatic as soggy cardboard. So it's no surprise it doesn't work as a dubbed show either. Unlike the first two Stargate series, SG:U wasn't intended to be about heroic storytelling--it was trying way too hard to follow in the footsteps of the Battlestar Galactica reboot with flawed characters and messy story arcs, and it just didn't work.

Most sci-fi Tv and movies I am familiar with are US/English-language, so I suspect you already know most of them. I haven't made much effort to look into more recent French sci fi TV and movies because I've assumed it would cost me money I don't have to get them. But I did recently learn that one of my favorite sci-fi films of the 1990s is dubbed in French on the blu-ray release--Gattaca. Despite it having a couple irksome plotholes, it's a really good movie, in my opinion, with a positive (if not slightly tear-jerky) ending.
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