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Re: Dutch Study Group

Posted: Fri Jan 11, 2019 5:40 pm
by trui
tommus wrote:Je moet geen vrienden met hun worden. Het zijn sukkels.

Don't be friends with them. They are losers.

Note the "Het" instead of "Ze". Is this standard Dutch? Is this common usage? What are the guidelines for using "het" instead of "ze" or "zij"?


Yup! That's standard Dutch. In fact, Ze zijn sukkels would be plain incorrect.

You use Het zijn (and also dit/dat zijn for these/those are) in the construction of "Het zijn (meervoudig zelfstandignaamwoord)".

I've known this rule for a while, but my Dutch grammar class explained it in a more universal way. It's to do with certain things sounding weird if they're not emphasized if I recall correctly. I'll get back to you on that.

I've been busy with my Dutch exams (in the Netherlands!) so I haven't got around to posting, but hallo! Nice to see everyone who is learning Dutch here :)

Edit: By the way, just double checked and yup, "met hun" should be "met hen", officially. Of course 'officially' is different than what people might use... ;)

Re: Dutch Study Group

Posted: Fri Jan 11, 2019 9:08 pm
by tommus
trui wrote:Yup! That's standard Dutch. In fact, Ze zijn sukkels would be plain incorrect.

Yes, you're right. This is very different than what a native English speaker would expect, which makes it very difficult to master in speaking or writing Dutch. I guess it will take many many hours of listening and reading to get these right. Here is the explanation in DutchGrammar.com. Note the very subtle differences concerning nouns and adjectives.

http://www.dutchgrammar.com/en/?n=Pronouns.ps04

Re: Dutch Study Group

Posted: Sat Jan 12, 2019 12:26 pm
by tommus
Dutch adverbs and conjunctions

Adverbs and conjunctions are probably the most difficult to learn and remember because they tend to be abstract. Nevertheless, they are pervasive in everything, so thus important. A good source of lists of Dutch adverbs and conjunctions is Wiktionary.

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Category:Dutch_adverbs

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Category:Dutch_conjunctions

There are about 1000 adverbs and about 75 conjunctions in those lists. Of course, some of these are quite rare but many of them are important to know. It doesn't take long to copy these words into the left column of a table, put them into DeepL and put the translation in the right column. My technique then is to go through the lists and concentrate on learning the ones that are the most challenging to remember even though I see them a lot.