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Re: Dutch Study Group

Postby Le Baron » Fri Dec 30, 2022 3:56 pm

tungemål wrote:Hoe gaat het in het koude kikkerland? :)
(a funny phrase apparently sometimes used to refer to the Netherlands)

I've never heard that before. I'll try it on someone tomorrow. I just looked it up in the dictionary and it says it refers to swampy land (full of frogs), but also indeed 'Nederland'; with 'schertsend' in parenthesis.
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Re: Dutch Study Group

Postby tommus » Sun Jan 15, 2023 11:44 am

For those interested in science, and particularly physics, here are about 600 very good articles in Dutch.

https://www.natuurkunde.nl/artikelen
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Re: Dutch Study Group

Postby Sonjaconjota » Sun Jan 22, 2023 5:05 pm

I have just found this playlist with songs in Dutch by Kim from Dutchies to be:
https://open.spotify.com/playlist/4kKSeBvT0Bh9YBEEfPVPjn?si=DuRZHvdjTXKBjdUHrdoPng&nd=1
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Re: Dutch Study Group

Postby Chmury » Sun Jan 22, 2023 11:41 pm

Sonjaconjota wrote:I have just found this playlist with songs in Dutch by Kim from Dutchies to be:
https://open.spotify.com/playlist/4kKSeBvT0Bh9YBEEfPVPjn?si=DuRZHvdjTXKBjdUHrdoPng&nd=1



Just checked out that playlist and I can't believe Eefje de Visser isn't on there! To my mind at least, she's one of the best singer songwriters in the entire Dutch speaking world. She's ridiculously good at writing melodies and her music is awesome regardless of whether you understand what she's singing about or not. Ga even kijken!
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Re: Dutch Study Group

Postby tungemål » Sat Feb 11, 2023 2:19 pm

Le Baron wrote:
tungemål wrote:Hoe gaat het in het koude kikkerland? :)
(a funny phrase apparently sometimes used to refer to the Netherlands)

I've never heard that before. I'll try it on someone tomorrow. I just looked it up in the dictionary and it says it refers to swampy land (full of frogs), but also indeed 'Nederland'; with 'schertsend' in parenthesis.

Did you try this phrase yet, or are you afraid that you'll offend someone?
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Re: Dutch Study Group

Postby Le Baron » Sat Feb 11, 2023 4:14 pm

tungemål wrote:
Le Baron wrote:
tungemål wrote:Hoe gaat het in het koude kikkerland? :)
(a funny phrase apparently sometimes used to refer to the Netherlands)

I've never heard that before. I'll try it on someone tomorrow. I just looked it up in the dictionary and it says it refers to swampy land (full of frogs), but also indeed 'Nederland'; with 'schertsend' in parenthesis.

Did you try this phrase yet, or are you afraid that you'll offend someone?

I did try it! Some people didn't know what I was on about, but others said, 'yes, but it's old' (as in obsolete). Some knew it and thought it wasn't obsolete, like my 80-odd year-old neighbour who laughed upon hearing it.
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Re: Dutch Study Group

Postby Sonjaconjota » Wed Feb 15, 2023 6:08 pm

I've just come across this video course by Taalklas.nl on youtube.
I found the parts with the students a bit cringy, but the quality of the videos is good:
https://www.youtube.com/@Oefenennlwelerenaltijd

And a question for research:
Has anybody here worked with the book Nederlands op niveau (B1/B2)? What are your thoughts on it?
Does anybody have any recommendations for a B2 book, ideally a self-study book?
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Re: Dutch Study Group

Postby Le Baron » Wed Feb 15, 2023 10:25 pm

One of the best books I used (mine is old, from 2003) was Beter Nederlands, the upper level one which is for post-Nt2-level 2 use. It is based upon practical experience in the ROC schools and VVR-taalschool in Rotterdam. One of the authors was the wife of the teacher I had when I was hopping over the border into Limburg.

It is a practical grammar book which is light on excessive theory, yet teaches tricky concepts in a simple way. With exercises and a key at the back. There's another complementary part, which I must have in a box somewhere so I can't recall what's in it.

I find these sorts of books trustworthy because they are fine-tuned to the issues of teaching foreigners the language. Having had students from all over Europe and the world they know what sort of problems and questions arise.
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Re: Dutch Study Group

Postby tungemål » Thu Feb 16, 2023 9:23 pm

Grammar: "should have"
gratuitous grammar lesson.

The Dutch use this construction for "should have done something": hadden moeten (infinitiv)

examples:
- Ik had dat niet moeten zeggen - I shouldn't have said that
- je had het vaccin moeten nemen - you should've taken the vaccine
- ik had moeten weten dat... - I should've known that...
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Re: Dutch Study Group

Postby Le Baron » Thu Feb 16, 2023 10:05 pm

tungemål wrote:Grammar: "should have"
gratuitous grammar lesson.

The Dutch use this construction for "should have done something": hadden moeten (infinitiv)

examples:
- Ik had dat niet moeten zeggen - I shouldn't have said that
- je had het vaccin moeten nemen - you should've taken the vaccine
- ik had moeten weten dat... - I should've known that...


A worthy lesson. I can't tell you how much I broke my head trying to figure out differences equating to should/ought to. It was enough bother to me knowing that in English should doesn't express the same level of obligation as ought to. However realising the fact that would/should are often the same thing: zouden, and that this also encompassed ought to (when not aiming directly for must) and still getting all the meaning across, was actually a relief.

Also realising that in Germanic languages these modal auxiliaries have in most cases replaced the need for a specially-formed subjunctive mood, made me appreciate them more.
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