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Re: 我們學漢語 / 我们学汉语 (Chinese Study Group)

Postby raymondaliasapollyon » Tue Oct 11, 2022 2:45 pm

lichtrausch wrote:Test your Chinese food vocabulary with this vlog. She goes through 20 days of meals from her quarantines in Shanghai and Taiwan.



Are you OK with Taiwanese accent? It may come across as substandard from a mainlander's point of view.
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Re: 我們學漢語 / 我们学汉语 (Chinese Study Group)

Postby lichtrausch » Tue Oct 11, 2022 9:53 pm

raymondaliasapollyon wrote:Are you OK with Taiwanese accent? It may come across as substandard from a mainlander's point of view.

I use mainland standard Mandarin as my model for emulation, but I encounter a lot of Taiwanese Mandarin so it's important to me that I learn to understand it as well as possible.
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Postby Querneus » Thu Dec 15, 2022 8:31 pm

I keep thinking the sensitivity to word length in Mandarin grammar is just nuts.

I read a comment in a short grammar handbook (Julian Wheatley's, 2014) that to express "[number] or more [noun]" (e.g. "5 or more weeks"):
- a monosyllabic number is followed by ge duō
- a multisyllabic number is followed by duō ge

5個多星期 wǔ ge duō xīngqī '5 or more weeks' (xīngqí in Taiwan)
20多個星期 èrshí duō ge xīngqī '20 or more weeks'

Absolutely nuts.

According to a couple natives I asked it's very much true, and saying them the opposite way (e.g. wǔ duō ge xīngqī) is ungrammatical.


Another less well-known example, for your amusement (which I found in some dictionary, I don't remember which, probably one of the Tuttle dictionaries):
毫不 háo bù is an adverb used before an adjective of two or more syllables. For example, you can say 毫不奇怪 háo bù qíguài not at all strange, but you cannot say 毫不怪 háo bú guài.



I keep wondering whether Cantonese is also like this, or if it's just Mandarin that's weird with these word-length-based limitations.
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Re: 我們學漢語 / 我们学汉语 (Chinese Study Group)

Postby smallwhite » Fri Dec 16, 2022 5:28 pm

Querneus wrote:I read a comment in a short grammar handbook (Julian Wheatley's, 2014) that to express "[number] or more [noun]" (e.g. "5 or more weeks"):
- a monosyllabic number is followed by ge duō
- a multisyllabic number is followed by duō ge

5個多星期 wǔ ge duō xīngqī '5 or more weeks' (xīngqí in Taiwan)
20多個星期 èrshí duō ge xīngqī '20 or more weeks'

They are different.
5個多星期 = 5.X weeks (5.01 to 5.99 weeks), not 5 or more weeks (5 or 6 or 80 weeks).
20多個星期 = 2X weeks (21 to 29 weeks), not 20 or more weeks (20 or 35 or 78 weeks).

5元多 = 5 dollars something
20多元 = twenty-something dollars
Same as English ar.
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Re: 我們學漢語 / 我们学汉语 (Chinese Study Group)

Postby Querneus » Sat Jan 14, 2023 4:28 am

smallwhite wrote:They are different.
5個多星期 = 5.X weeks (5.01 to 5.99 weeks), not 5 or more weeks (5 or 6 or 80 weeks).
20多個星期 = 2X weeks (21 to 29 weeks), not 20 or more weeks (20 or 35 or 78 weeks).

5元多 = 5 dollars something
20多元 = twenty-something dollars
Same as English ar.

Thanks for this. I made my post above based on something in the book I mentioned, but I just tried to find the exact page and passage again and I ran out of patience trying to find it. What gives? :)
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Postby lichtrausch » Sat Jan 14, 2023 4:55 am

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Postby QKQK » Thu Jan 19, 2023 12:52 pm

你们好,我来自中国上海。
如果你们有关于发音的问题也可以来问我。 :D
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Re: 我們學漢語 / 我们学汉语 (Chinese Study Group)

Postby smallwhite » Sun Jan 22, 2023 12:27 pm

今日是農曆新年。恭喜發財! Kung Hei Fat Choy!
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Re: 我們學漢語 / 我们学汉语 (Chinese Study Group)

Postby mattmo » Sun Mar 05, 2023 11:59 am

Hello! I wanted to share a bit about my Chinese learning journey:

As a native English speaker I wanted to speak to my grandma in Cantonese yet I couldn't speak a word so I decided in 2020 to learn Cantonese. It was difficult going initially but after a while I started to enjoy the process and am now an advanced learner after 2 to 3 years of studying Cantonese.

I have now just started studying Mandarin but hopefully will become C2 in Cantonese very shortly. Looking forward to seeing where my Chinese language learning journey takes me in the future!
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Re: 我們學漢語 / 我们学汉语 (Chinese Study Group)

Postby księżycowy » Sun Mar 05, 2023 2:50 pm

I'm curious to know what you used to and what specifically you did learn Cantonese. It's been on my radar for a long time, and I'm hoping to actually start learning it (and Mandarin) in the not so distant future.
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