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MorkTheFiddle
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Re: Classical Languages - Study Group

Postby MorkTheFiddle » Mon Sep 16, 2019 11:50 pm

Okay, OE challenge folk! Here is a mini-challenge within (or in addition to) the main challenge.
The poem I give here is subject to a couple of different interpretations. If you choose to read it, I challenge you to read it without any research. Just use a dictionary and figure it out. Then, check out what the differing interpretations are and see how yours fits in.

Lēodum is mīnum swylce him mon lāc gife;
willað hȳ hine āþecgan gif hē on þrēat cymeð.
Ungelīc is ūs.
Wulf is on īege, ic on ōþerre.
5 Fæst is þæt ēglond, fenne biworpen.
Sindon wælrēowe weras þǣr on īge;
willað hȳ hine āþecgan gif hē on þrēat cymeð.
Ungelīce is ūs.
Wulfes ic mīnes wīdlāstum wēnum hogode,
10 þonne hit wæs rēnig weder ond ic rēotugu sæt,
þonne mec se beaducāfa bōgum bilegde,
wæs mē wyn tō þon, wæs mē hwæþre ēac lāð.
Wulf, mīn Wulf! wēna mē þīne
sēoce gedydon, þīne seldcymas,
15 murnende mōd, nales metelīste.
Gehȳrest þū, Ēadwacer? Uncerne eargne hwelp
bireð wulf tō wuda.
Þæt mon ēaþe tōslīteð þætte nǣfre gesomnad wæs,
uncer giedd geador.

http://www.engl.virginia.edu/OE/anthology/wulf.html
September 22, 2005
: I took the poem from this link, but it is now (very) dead, though the website still exists.

from the Exeter Cathedral MS 3501 (Baker 227), from a collection of poetry donated to Exeter Cathedral by Bishop Leofric in 1072 and generally called ‘the Exeter Book’ (Baker 226). [I do not remember what or who Baker was/is :( :? ]
Cool detail (well, I think it is cool) one of the words in the poem is a cognate of the first word in Eyjafjallajökull, the Icelandic volcano that last erupted in 2010 and almost--almost--stranded me in Munich. :)
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Re: Classical Languages - Study Group

Postby IronMike » Tue Sep 17, 2019 3:05 pm

Deinonysus wrote:I'm pretty tempted. I have the previous version of Teach Yourself Old English sitting on my bookshelf. But I'm too impulsive to be able to plan my language learning months in advance. So I guess we'll just have to see what I'm doing when the time comes. You can put me down as a definite maybe.

Excellent! List updated.

Those who are interested in the Old English mini-challenge:
IronMike
David1917
Mista
PfifltriggPi
Systematiker
lavengro
Deinonysus
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Re: Classical Languages - Study Group

Postby lavengro » Sat Sep 21, 2019 2:55 am

IronMike wrote:
Deinonysus wrote:I'm pretty tempted. I have the previous version of Teach Yourself Old English sitting on my bookshelf. But I'm too impulsive to be able to plan my language learning months in advance. So I guess we'll just have to see what I'm doing when the time comes. You can put me down as a definite maybe.

Excellent! List updated.

Those who are interested in the Old English mini-challenge:
IronMike
David1917
Mista
PfifltriggPi
Systematiker
lavengro
Deinonysus

I've just moved myself from tentative to confirmed on the basis of a quick review of the attached academic video summary of Beowulf. I was pretty much hooked right from the description of it being "a nice, simple story about how one man beat the crap out of three giant monsters."

I don't mean to seem intolerant or anything, but honestly, I am not a fan of giant monsters, so anyone prepared to "de-crap" them is alright from my perspective.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DcqMp_D5pdE

So, I'm in.
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Re: Classical Languages - Study Group

Postby Ser » Thu Sep 26, 2019 8:33 pm

That Old English Christmas challenge seems interesting.


Today I saw someone from Valladolid, Spain, post a photo of a mural at Universidad de Valladolid's Classical Philology department. The mural contains various Greek words, all written without accents (not even acutes) in spite of being in lowercase, including one misspelling ("δημοκρατεια" for δημοκρατία) and one modern word (νοσταλγία). The guy I know was understandably upset over this.

But more interestingly, someone else in the comments pointed out that Wheelock's Latin, the most common Latin textbook at American universities for several decades (although it's less common now), similarly contains a strange wording at the end of most chapters: "Latīna est gaudium—et ūtilis!". I hadn't noticed this mistake before! It should be "Latīnē discere est et gaudium et ūtile". It's unfortunate.
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Re: Classical Languages - Study Group

Postby IronMike » Fri Sep 27, 2019 2:08 pm

Ser wrote:That Old English Christmas challenge seems interesting.

Good enough for me, Ser. ;)

Those who are interested in the Old English mini-challenge:
IronMike
David1917
Mista
PfifltriggPi
Systematiker
lavengro
Deinonysus
Ser

Seriously, as stated previously, this doesn't commit anyone above (except me!) to doing this. I simply need a list so when the time is nigh, I can PM all of you.
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Re: Classical Languages - Study Group

Postby marie39 » Sun Oct 06, 2019 1:34 pm

IronMike wrote:
Ser wrote:That Old English Christmas challenge seems interesting.

Good enough for me, Ser. ;)

Those who are interested in the Old English mini-challenge:
IronMike
David1917
Mista
PfifltriggPi
Systematiker
lavengro
Deinonysus
Ser

Seriously, as stated previously, this doesn't commit anyone above (except me!) to doing this. I simply need a list so when the time is nigh, I can PM all of you.


Please add me to the list of people to poke in December. I might take a break from my regular studies for a short Old English challenge.
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Re: Classical Languages - Study Group

Postby IronMike » Sun Oct 06, 2019 8:41 pm

Those who are interested in the Old English mini-challenge:
IronMike
David1917
Mista
PfifltriggPi
Systematiker
lavengro
Deinonysus
Ser
marie39

As stated previously, this doesn't commit anyone above (except me!) to doing this.
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My Polyglot Fitness Challenge!

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SC IT books : 0 / 25
365 Challenge : 233 / 365

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Re: Classical Languages - Study Group

Postby MorkTheFiddle » Mon Oct 07, 2019 12:51 am

Here's a source for some classical Latin, medieval Latin and modern Latin, including "De monarchia" by Dante and "The Raven" by Edgar Allan Poe: Vicifons.

Josquin left a placeholder for resources, but I don't know how to edit it.
Here are a couple of places for learning Old Norse online:
Old Norse for Beginners.
Old Norse Online.
Having used both of them, I can recommend them with the caveat that they are not complete courses and need supplementing from a text. The former is kind of chatty and kind of fun with corny drawings, the latter is just a strait-laced academic presentation.
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Re: Classical Languages - Study Group

Postby sfuqua » Mon Oct 07, 2019 1:23 pm

I'm interested in the TYOE challenge. I've worked some with the old TY book.

Does the new one have any new audio?
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Re: Classical Languages - Study Group

Postby lavengro » Mon Oct 07, 2019 1:50 pm

sfuqua wrote:I'm interested in the TYOE challenge. I've worked some with the old TY book.

Does the new one have any new audio?

Hi sfuqua,

Mine arrived Friday. The book itself is very nicely put together physically in terms of size, paper choice and layout. Feels good in the hand and looks good on a bookshelf. The accompanying audio is freely available online once you set up a free account. It consists of 86 units, some quite short.

https://library.teachyourself.com/id004325519/Complete-Old-English
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