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Re: Russian Study Group

Postby Bluepaint » Sun Feb 25, 2018 12:45 am

If I were a person learning Russian (which I'm totally not) I would probably want to learn the alphabet first and I'd probably find myself disturbed at the thought of having to produce my own handwritten Cyrillic. I would probably find the following link useful (besides watching Russian alphabet songs on Youtube): http://www.russianforeveryone.com/RufeA ... phabet.htm
The audio for individual letters doesn't seem to work but the audio for the words does.

Luckily I'm not a person learning Russian.... :? 8-)
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Re: Russian Study Group

Postby MamaPata » Sun Feb 25, 2018 4:01 pm

Bluepaint wrote:Luckily I'm not a person learning Russian.... :? 8-)


Yet. :)
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Re: Russian Study Group

Postby Bluepaint » Mon Feb 26, 2018 1:00 pm

8-) i might be learning Russian :cry: I had my first 'Y THO?' moment. I think that makes it official :?
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Re: Russian Study Group

Postby Bluepaint » Mon Feb 26, 2018 1:02 pm

In case anyone is wondering, my 'y tho' moment was when I messaged a friend asking why т is written as an M/м in cursive. This was despite knowing one should not inquire why, Russian just is.
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Re: Russian Study Group

Postby David27 » Mon Feb 26, 2018 4:11 pm

Look at the capital T in Russian, when you simplify it down for lowercase you can see how it turned into an m shape. Over time you can imagine the evolution of how it got there.
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Re: Russian Study Group

Postby MamaPata » Tue Feb 27, 2018 2:52 pm

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Re: Russian Study Group

Postby rfnsoares » Fri Mar 09, 2018 12:37 pm

Hello, everyone! :)

I have a question for you, guys. It may sound a little bit silly, well, it sounds silly, but this specific particle in Russian has been intrigued me. And after too much research on internet I have not fully understand the usage of this particle yet, which is "и". I am raising this topic because I would like to focus on the details, once I have improved a lot lately regarding vocabulary and grammar. So I decided to ask for a different explanation. :)
I took an extract from the book Inferno by Dan Brown (in the book's prolog) as an example, but this is only a single example. I have seen this particle in many contexts, but I think that this is the most common one:

я им и не скажу.

My questions are:
Is there a difference in the meaning of these sentences? When to use it or not? Is really this kind of sentence the most common of usage of particle?
я им и не скажу and я им не скажу.

I hope that it does not sound confusing...

Thank you! :)
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Re: Russian Study Group

Postby aaleks » Fri Mar 09, 2018 3:10 pm

я им и не скажу and я им не скажу.


To me as a Russian native speaker, the difference between these two will be the same as between "I won't tell them" (я им не скажу) and I'm not going to tell them/I'm not going to tell them anyway (я им и не скажу).

In such sentences "и" kind of add some emphasis to "не".

But all that is just my opinion, I can't explain it from a grammar point of view.
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Re: Russian Study Group

Postby vonPeterhof » Fri Mar 09, 2018 4:40 pm

@rfnsoares This usage of и before не generally refers the clause back to some preceding information, so it may be hard to tell what exactly the и adds without knowing the context, but yeah, as aaleks said it often plays the same role as "anyway", or maybe something similar to the formulation "Not that I'll tell them".
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Re: Russian Study Group

Postby rfnsoares » Fri Mar 09, 2018 7:41 pm

Thank you very much, aaleks and vonPeterhof! :)

I will keep in mind both explanations from now on. And you were right vonPeterhof. Reviewing the extract in English, I confirmed that it was referring to a previous sentence.
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