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An area with study groups for various languages. Group members help each other, share resources and experience. Study groups are permanent but the members rotate and change.
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Re: Team Middle East

Postby Ghalib Al-Hakkak » Sat Oct 20, 2018 4:15 pm

Another book I hope will interest you:

http://www.al-hakkak.fr/PDF/Arabic-conjugation.pdf
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Re: Team Middle East

Postby Systematiker » Sat Oct 20, 2018 7:34 pm

All this activity in the thread has been pretty cool!

I’m one of the less active members of this team, at least so far, and this team has seen me begin, abandon, and now return to Arabic (as well as waffle about Modern Hebrew, and do everything in fits and starts).

I’ve appreciated the information recently, as my new attempt is with a study partner and focuses on a dialect; I’ve been encouraged to look at MSA as well. I’d be curious to know more about the diglossia situation, as I’ve always thought that the dialects were spoken variations from the unified MSA written standard, but that seems not to be the case, as I’m seeing dialect written.

I’ve read that for some dialects (especially Levantine ones), the difference between the urban dialect and MSA is primarily in a core of ~500 terms, and otherwise there’s a great deal of similarity (which would speak for concurrent study), but that was anecdotal and I don’t know if it’s true.
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Re: Team Middle East

Postby shandra » Sat Oct 20, 2018 8:07 pm

ancient forest wrote:My wife (...) recommended the YouTube video channel of Imran Alawiye called Gateway to Arabic Institute. In particular, the playlist Arabic from the Beginning.
Thank her for the suggestion! I've watched the first video and it was clear and interesting.

I've just downloaded an app (I like the ones teaching scripts by TenguLogi) and I'm trying to understand how letters work in various positions. Tomorrow I'll read carefully the explanation in Modern Arabic, the book I mentioned before.

For the moment, instead of words I see dotted waves :?

@PeterMollenburg
And you? Have you started exploring the alphabet?
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Re: Team Middle East

Postby Hashimi » Sun Oct 21, 2018 6:42 am

Systematiker wrote:I’ve read that for some dialects (especially Levantine ones), the difference between the urban dialect and MSA is primarily in a core of ~500 terms, and otherwise there’s a great deal of similarity (which would speak for concurrent study), but that was anecdotal and I don’t know if it’s true.


Most of the time the difference is much less. Yesterday, I read a short story in colloquial Lebanese (around 300 words). There were only three words not found in MSA. Etymologically, even these words can be traced back to Standard Arabic. For example, the first was the Lebanese word for mouth "تم" (tm). In MSA, it is "فم" (fm), in some other conservative Arabic dialects it is "ثم" (θm). So the sound /θ/ became /f/ in MSA, and /t/ in Lebanese.

Another word is "هـ" (ha-), which is a short form of "هذا" (hatha) in MSA.

The last one is the function word "عم" ('am) to express the present continuious/progressive, which is actually a contraction of the MSA "عامل" which means doing/doer.
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Re: Team Middle East

Postby PeterMollenburg » Sun Oct 21, 2018 10:09 am

Ghalib Al-Hakkak wrote:Another book I hope will interest you:

http://www.al-hakkak.fr/PDF/Arabic-conjugation.pdf


Thank you again Ghalib, I'm sure this will be put to good use :) Very kind of you to share it with us.



shandra wrote:@PeterMollenburg
And you? Have you started exploring the alphabet?


Nothing yet for me at all with Arabic. I've at least expanded my knowledge on dialects and MSA, which courses teach what and in the end selected which ones to use given my circumstances. I am not sure when I will start, but I have some resources on the way, so I think that I'm likely to start the day after they arrive. One thing I want to improve on when I think back to my French studies with course material is to not spread myself too thinly. I'd like to take a minimalist approach and systematically work through one course at a time before picking up another. Unless I find myself needing supplementation or something for pure listening for example. So although it seems around these parts most ppl here are in the earlier stages of learning Arabic, I've not even learned one syllable. Why am I hesitating starting? Well, after pretty solid French study I thought I deserved a little down time and resource gathering time. I'll get pretty serious soon. :)

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Re: Team Middle East

Postby shandra » Sun Oct 21, 2018 2:29 pm

PeterMollenburg wrote:I'd like to take a minimalist approach and systematically work through one course at a time before picking up another. Unless I find myself needing supplementation or something for pure listening for example.
A wise choice.
One of my weak points is to gather hoard resources instead of studying :?
I will going on with the first I found because I like its organization.

I've expanded my knowledge on dialects and MSA too, thanks to all you forum members here.

I've never planned to start with Arabic, so I haven't any clear expectation yet. What I've understood is that the best thing, given my circumstances, is to start with MSA.

One day, when or if I'll improve my knowledge, I could switch to Egyptian, the variety most common between the immigrants in my city (=real people I could talk to).

But I am quite pessimistic about Listening and Speaking. For example, for me is really difficult to recognize and to produce the aspirated / not aspirated pairs. And all those sounds from the throat... Today my limits seem insurmountable!

Thanks for your kind support :)
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Re: Team Middle East

Postby MattNeilsen » Tue Oct 23, 2018 12:13 am

geoffw wrote:Well I'm always either studying Hebrew or telling myself I need to get back to studying Hebrew. At the moment I'm at least nominally working on it. I'd also like to see how other people are approaching Arabic--it's on my to-do list. (It will be a fine day whenever Glossika Hebrew and Glossika [spoken] Arabic are finished!)

This is not a promise to start writing a log again, btw...


Hey geoffw - I was looking up something related and came across the Glossika Hebrew course. Have you tried it? I'm not sure when it was released, and there are very little in the way of reviews online. I think I'm gonna try the free trial just to see what it's like...
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Re: Team Middle East

Postby PeterMollenburg » Tue Oct 23, 2018 1:21 am

Well, maybe I was wrong. I was a little, and perhaps for good reason, pessimistic about several members of Team Arabic using the same content. However....

ancient forest wrote:Maybe working on the same material would help us to have writing practice with each other since we would have a common background to work with.


Ogrim wrote:Today Amazon delivered my copy of the first volume of Manuel d'arabe by Ghalib Al-Hakkak.


PeterMollenburg wrote:I’ll be joining you soon, as my copy is en route.


Arnaud wrote:Found in the forum, a temporary link given by the author (to discover the method, for personal use only) :
Arabic made easy with effort 1. (seven "weeks")
The corresponding audio is here (volume 1)


Ghalib Al-Hakkak wrote:I am the author of "Manuel d'arabe en ligne". I would like to mention here the link to the English version for the first seven chapters: https://www.al-hakkak.fr/PDF/Arabic-Mad ... Effort.pdf

It is available on Amazon with two volumes:
Volume 1: https://www.amazon.com/Arabic-Made-Easy ... 651&sr=1-6
Volume 2: https://www.amazon.com/Arabic-Made-Easy ... 50&sr=1-12

Till now I worked on the translation of 14 chapters with Alexander Sethi. I still hope to have some feedback about these first volumes.
Thank you

G H


Ghalib Al-Hakkak wrote:Another book I hope will interest you:

http://www.al-hakkak.fr/PDF/Arabic-conjugation.pdf


iguanamon wrote:Arabic
I've been following Team Middle East and find myself being drawn towards Arabic.


It seems, while Ogrim and myself have/ will have soon the French version of the above course, the English version of the first seven chapters has been provided for free by the author in the hope of that some feedback be given. I’ll suggest it, but it may not go beyond Ogrim and myself using the course, still, I suggest if anyone else out there is tempted (iguanamon ;) and others!), here it is free of charge (PDF, plus audio available for free too)... JOIN US!!! :twisted: And who cares if we’re all learning at different paces. Don’t pressure yourself, if you are miles behind (could end up being me), it might be good to bounce off others who are ahead of you and can provide some assistance or insights with difficulties.
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Ghalib Al-Hakkak
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Re: arabic group

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Re: arabic group

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