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Re: Team Middle East

Postby Monox D. I-Fly » Fri Feb 09, 2018 2:12 pm

DangerDave2010 wrote:Next they will say that there are no Arabic dialects...


Funny. My coworker who took college in Egypt just said something along this line to me today.
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Re: Team Middle East

Postby Saim » Fri Feb 09, 2018 4:23 pm

Ogrim wrote:For those who read French, here is an interesting, longish article called Le libanais n'est pas un dialecte arabe (Lebanese is not an Arabic dialect). Basically the author claimes that Lebanese is not descending from Arabic, but should be considered a Semitic dialect/language descending from some proto-Semitic language and having evolved independently of other Semitic languages, including Arabic.

I have no idea whether this claim/theory is correct or not, but anyone more advanced in Arabic and Levantine dialects may have a view on the authors arguments.


He's wrong; this is pseudolinguistics used to push a nationalistic/sectarian narrative.

The author doesn't show a single regular sound change that would explain modern Levantine as a development of Canaanite (not even getting into the fact that before the spread of Arabic the Levant was Aramaic-speaking and Canaanite was extinct). All he does is cherry-pick.

The author also insists on comparing Levantine to Classical Arabic rather than to other Arabic vernaculars. In fact modern Arabic vernaculars are generally closer to each othet than any of them are to Classical Arabic; are we supposed to conclude then that Egyptian and Gulf Arabic are also Phoenician dialects?

That of course isn't to say that the Lebanese couldn't create their own written standard if they wanted to. Maltese is genetically Arabic but they don't use MSA and they have their own standard. There's no (linguistic) reason why Lebanon couldn't do the same.
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Re: Team Middle East

Postby Monox D. I-Fly » Sun Apr 01, 2018 12:39 am

So I am preparing for the next Super Challenge which I heard would be held about next month. Since my target languages are Arabic and Japanese, I want to watch some Japanese anime with Arabic subtitles. Can any of you give some links to download them for free? I heard from my friend who is a Japanese literature graduate that some of them are available on YouTube but with the keywords written in Arabic script. So if, say, I want to watch Digimon with Arabic subtitle on YouTube, what keywords should I use (in Arabic script)?
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Re: Team Middle East

Postby cjareck » Sun Jul 08, 2018 4:28 pm

Since I am learning both Hebrew and Arabic (https://forum.language-learners.org/vie ... =15&t=8589), I would like to join the Team Middle East. Is it possible?
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Re: Team Middle East

Postby Systematiker » Fri Jul 13, 2018 4:36 pm

cjareck wrote:Since I am learning both Hebrew and Arabic (https://forum.language-learners.org/vie ... =15&t=8589), I would like to join the Team Middle East. Is it possible?


It's kind of a come and go thing, as you please - the study groups are here so we help each other out, so welcome!
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Re: Team Middle East

Postby Monox D. I-Fly » Sat Jul 14, 2018 11:16 am

Is there anyone who can give me the link to download the Arabic versions of one of those:
1. MS Paint Tutorial
2. MS Power Point Tutorial
3. Corel Draw Tutorial
4. In Design Tutorial
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Re: Team Middle East

Postby cjareck » Sat Jul 14, 2018 7:56 pm

Perhaps here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=819zpTqc_Zo
I don't know I just used this:
https://translate.google.com/#en/ar/tut ... MS%20Paint
Put the result into youtube, and this was the first movie on the list ;)
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_ ... 8%A7%D8%A1
But I do not know Arabic enough to check what it is.
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Re: Team Middle East

Postby ancient forest » Thu Aug 16, 2018 6:53 am

Lately, I have been reading BBC news article in Arabic. I don't think those articles are much harder than the books I have for media Arabic, but it is more interesting since it is dealing with current events. I briefly took a look at al-Jazeera newspaper too, but I have not read it enough to compare it with the BBC. Are there any other Arabic newspapers that you would recommend checking out?
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Re: Team Middle East

Postby Maiwenn » Thu Aug 16, 2018 9:44 pm

ancient forest wrote:Lately, I have been reading BBC news article in Arabic. I don't think those articles are much harder than the books I have for media Arabic, but it is more interesting since it is dealing with current events. I briefly took a look at al-Jazeera newspaper too, but I have not read it enough to compare it with the BBC. Are there any other Arabic newspapers that you would recommend checking out?


I've got the France24 and Deutsche Welle apps on my phone set to Arabic. They both publish articles in MSA. I also watch France24's Arabic channel to get spoken news exposure.

Example of a France24 article:
إيطاليا: خفر السواحل ينقذون 170 مهاجرا في المياه الدولية ويطالبون مالطا باستقبالهم
http://f24.my/3Q31.F

Example of a Deutsche Welle article:
وفاة أريثا فرانكلين‭ ‬"ملكة موسيقى السول"
https://p.dw.com/p/33HHG

My partner reads Hespress for Moroccan news. Based off a quick glance, it does seem to be in MSA as well.
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Re: Team Middle East

Postby ancient forest » Sat Aug 18, 2018 5:41 am

Thanks for the article about Aretha Franklin. At first, the word السول (as-soul) threw me off. Actually, it is just the English word 'soul' with the definite article attached to it. Later, the article uses الروح (ar-rooh), which is the regular Arabic word for soul.
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