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Re: Celtic Team - Study Group

Postby Cèid Donn » Sun Jan 03, 2021 5:07 am

There is new Discord channel for Breton speakers and learners--check out their Twitter to get an invite: https://twitter.com/DeskinDiscord
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Re: Celtic Team - Study Group

Postby Cèid Donn » Tue Jan 12, 2021 7:06 pm

An Sgeulachd Ghoirid (The Short Story) is a site that's been around for many years that has a few short stories by some well-known Scottish Gaelic writers, some with audio readings and some with video commentary (alas still not subtitled), that I've used quite often in past. But I hadn't visited the site since at least before the pandemic so I panicked yesterday when the old link I have bookmarked led me to a dead page. I inquired at Foram na Gàidhlig and they provided me to with the new link:

http://www.e-storas.com/resources/short ... fault.aspx

So if anyone has the old link (http://www.ansgeulachdghoirid.com) bookmarked, you'll want to update it. And if you've never heard of this site before and you're interested in Gaelic, please, bookmark it! :mrgreen:

Unfortunately, the new site appears updated for mobile devices, but not in the best way, and the layout is a bit messed up on a PC, but all the old content is there and still useable.
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Re: Celtic Team - Study Group

Postby Cèid Donn » Fri Jan 22, 2021 8:03 pm

For the next two weeks, the 2019 Irish film Finky is on the TG4 website. It's been up on their site since January 1st but unfortunately I didn't know about it until last night.

https://www.tg4.ie/en/player/categories ... enre=Drama

It's not too bad in my opinion, although it relies to bit too much of negative disability tropes. The main language is Irish, but there are bits of English and a tiny bit of Scottish Gaelic (spoken by an Irish actor playing a Scottish character, so honestly it just sounded like Ulster Irish to me at first). I personally found a lot of the Irish dialogue easy to follow. Subtitles are only available in English.

It contains some heavy subject matter and does warrant a content warning for child death (implied), suicide, negative portrayals of disability and mistreatment of a disabled person.
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Re: Celtic Team - Study Group

Postby DaveAgain » Wed Dec 22, 2021 11:05 am

There's a new-ish Polyglot Gathering talk, 'Celtic Origins: Archaeologically Speaking' [video | text], that suggests celtic languages emerged within a bronze age trading network.

EDIT
Barry Cunliffe's 2008 lecture Who were the Celts? covers a lot of the same ground.
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Re: Celtic Team - Study Group

Postby Cèid Donn » Fri Feb 18, 2022 8:43 pm

DaveAgain wrote:There's a new-ish Polyglot Gathering talk, 'Celtic Origins: Archaeologically Speaking' [video | text], that suggests celtic languages emerged within a bronze age trading network.


I downloaded the paper and when I get the chance, I will read it only to see if there's anything there to support my pet theory that the Latin word argentum is actually from a Celtic word and not the other way around. :lol: All Celtic languages that I know of use a cognate of argentum to mean the same thing and it's presumed the Latin word is the origin word of all the Celtic cognates, yet no one seems to thinks it odd that we get the word for "mine (as in a silver mine)" from a Celtic word that was passed on to Vulgar Latin and then to Old French and then to English but not the word for thing being mined in those mines that made the Romans go out and conquer the Celts, because the Celts controlled it all at one time. ;)

(I am entirely open to that possibility that argentum and its Celtic cousins all stem from an earlier IE word, rather than from one or the another, but generally, what I've found in dictionaries is the assertion the Celtic cognates stem directly from the Latin, like feasgar in Gaelic that is a Gaelicization of vesper and introduced to Gaelic much, much later, via Christianity, than when airgead more likely was, rather than from an earlier IE word.)
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Re: Celtic Team - Study Group

Postby Dragon27 » Sat Feb 19, 2022 6:39 am

Cèid Donn wrote:I am entirely open to that possibility that argentum and its Celtic cousins all stem from an earlier IE word, rather than from one or the another, but generally, what I've found in dictionaries is the assertion the Celtic cognates stem directly from the Latin

Umm, that's what the wiktionary says?
Reconstruction:Proto-Celtic/argantom

From Proto-Indo-European *h₂r̥ǵn̥tóm (“silver”), from *h₂erǵ- (“white, brilliant”). Cognate with Latin argentum (“silver”), Sanskrit रजत (rajata, “silver”), Old Armenian արծաթ (arcatʿ, “silver”).

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Reconstr ... c/argantom
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Re: Celtic Team - Study Group

Postby DaveAgain » Tue Mar 01, 2022 7:43 pm

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Re: Celtic Team - Study Group

Postby lichtrausch » Mon Feb 27, 2023 4:48 am

Actors Paul Mescal and Brendan Gleeson recently did short interviews in Irish at an awards event. I was wondering if someone here could clarify the type of Irish being spoken. Are the actors and the interviewer all speaking "Gaelscoil Irish"?



https://twitter.com/TG4TV/status/1627579864059457538
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Re: Celtic Team - Study Group

Postby galaxyrocker » Mon Feb 27, 2023 3:29 pm

lichtrausch wrote:Actors Paul Mescal and Brendan Gleeson recently did short interviews in Irish at an awards event. I was wondering if someone here could clarify the type of Irish being spoken. Are the actors and the interviewer all speaking "Gaelscoil Irish"?



https://twitter.com/TG4TV/status/1627579864059457538



The interviewer is a native speaker from Donegal as far as I know. The other two are learners and speak learners' Irish, so not very well in general.

It's actually caused huge uproar here and everyone's now talking about how the language is saved and stronger than ever, etc :roll: :roll: :roll:
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Re: Celtic Team - Study Group

Postby księżycowy » Mon Feb 27, 2023 6:15 pm

galaxyrocker wrote:It's actually caused huge uproar here and everyone's now talking about how the language is saved and stronger than ever, etc :roll: :roll: :roll:

I'm clearly living under a rock. (I actually mean that unsarcastically!)
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