Re: Le groupe français 2016 - 2019 Les Voyageurs
Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2019 9:39 pm
An alternate source for French g r a d e d native input:
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Carmody wrote:An alternate source for French g r a d e d native input:
iwanttolearn wrote:So far I'm only using Duo, TTC and Paul Noble, I'm trying to figure out a schedule that lets me use all of them, given that I only have 2 hours a day to practice.
garyb wrote:iwanttolearn wrote:So far I'm only using Duo, TTC and Paul Noble, I'm trying to figure out a schedule that lets me use all of them, given that I only have 2 hours a day to practice.
Easy: just work on one or at most a few at a time, move onto others when you're finished, and maybe skip the ones that overlap too much. Working through lots of courses in parallel that cover the same ground seems a little crazy, although two hours per day is plenty for a beginner and many would argue that if you have that much time it'll be more interesting and effective to split it between two or three resources rather than slogging through several lessons of one.
I'd drop Rosetta Stone as it's universally considered awful and in any case it's redundant with all the other and better courses on your list, and to plan more effectively perhaps separate the other resources into beginner-level (Pimsleur, MT, Paul Noble), intermediate material that will be much more useful once you're past the beginner stage (podcasts, Harry Potter), and things that are accessories to other study rather than comprehensive courses in themselves (Duolingo, Memrise). I've never heard of The Great Courses so I'm not sure where that fits in.
I'll leave it to the real "course experts" to suggest which order could be most effective, but in my opinion what you have in your list is more than enough to learn the basics. You might just want something to help bridge the gap between the basics and "real" language like Harry Potter and podcasts and TV; Assimil is a good course for that (and is highly recommended in general, but I don't think it's the most appropriate for absolute beginners), and learner-oriented podcasts are helpful too. But you can worry about that when you come to it.
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Sayonaroo wrote:I have a tip for beginner/intermediate people to get more French reading in. So recently I got the idea to watch the America drama You from lifetime (surprisingly good considering that it's on lifetime) with the original English audio with French subs. Of course just doing that bothered me so I wrote down words/phrases down in English as I watched whenever there were French words on the screen I didn't know that I wanted to know. Writing the French words down is just not practical because there are accent marks and I'm not used to French spelling and I do not pause the episode to write the words down. Then I ran the episode through subs2srs and filter the lines using the list of words/phrases I had. I then took the French dialogue from the .tsv file that was generated and ran it through deepl and reverse context so I have more stuff to reference while doing anki reviews. Then I import the .tsv into anki without the audio field ( I don't need the video file of the episode since I'm only trying to grab the dialogue in the English subtitles and the corresponding lines in the French subtitles. However you have to enter a video or audio file longer than 45 minutes for subs2srs to run.). Also I do not use the default anki settings (it's set so good cards are pushed out 5 days and easy cards are pushed over 7 days and I have only 1 step of 2400). I am aware of the limitations of this since there's no French audio involved here and because I just mass generated cards off subs2rs using subtitles.
I definitely think as a beginner this activity is more productive than watching some show in French with no subs... I plan on doing activities that involve reading and listening after I learn more words. I have no desire to watch American shows dubbed in French so all I have in mind is French stuff with transcripts...
The advantage of this is that I get words in sentences or phrases that I want to learn, I have context, the sentences are sometimes are very fun, I get to learn from dialogue (I absolutely prefer learning from dialogue when I'm a beginner/intermediate over articles. I just have no motivation trying to remember stuff that I will never hear anyone say. It's one of the many reasons why I don't care for duolingo. Also the idea of learning a bunch of words by category is absolutely unappealing to me.), and the anki cards are relatively easy to generate. I generated like 500 cards watching 5 episodes and it took 15 minutes?? As I do my reviews I mercilessly suspend cards if there are any cards that are too easy, redundant, or whatever other reason. This activity is a form of multi-tasking in a way. I would've watched this show with no subs or English subs anyway if I hadn't thought to try this. However, I definitely won't do this with every American drama I watch since some of them are more demanding to watch.