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Re: Le groupe français 2016 - 2018 Les Voyageurs
Posted: Sat Feb 24, 2018 7:55 pm
by Carmody
I am currently trying to do an
intensive examination of Émile Zola's article in
Le Figaro 17 janvier 1867
Dans Paris, la neigehttp://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/bpt6k270630z/f1.item.r=La%20neige%20par%20emile%20Zola.zoomI have set up a table with the French version in the left column and a line by line English translation in the right column.
DeepL is a great resource but I think it only gets me part of the way. Here is an example:
Zola:
Ah ! que sont loin les verdures moirées d'or par les clartés jaunes et rouges du couchant ! DeepL:
Ah! by the yellow and red light of the sunset! Would anyone care to improve on the DeepL translation?
If anyone is interested in discussing Zola's article I could post both the French and English versions in a separate thread. The Zola article is in the Public Domain.
If anyone is interested, please advise where it could be posted.
NB:
This article is very much in the tradition of the 19th century French
flâneur, so if that does not interest you then by all means pass this by. I find the genre interesting.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fl%C3%A2neur
Re: Le groupe français 2016 - 2018 Les Voyageurs
Posted: Mon Feb 26, 2018 10:34 am
by Ogrim
Thanks for sharing the Zola article Carmody. It was a nice read.
Talking about Paris, but on a totally different subject, the President of the Paris Region, Valérie Pécresse, has launched a programme to make Ile-de-France a multilingual region. According to
this article in Le Journal de Dimanche, 50% of young "Franciliens" would not be able to do a "stage" abroad because they don't have the language skills. Also according to the article they will soon launch a free language learning app with English, French as a foreign language, German and Spanish, and later on they will add Chinese, Russian and Portuguese. It weill be free and open to everyone (including people who do not live in Ile-de-France.
Remains to be seen if this app will deliver a product which is just as good or better than all those other methods already on offer "sur la Toile".
Re: Le groupe français 2016 - 2018 Les Voyageurs
Posted: Tue Feb 27, 2018 10:52 pm
by Speakeasy
Carmody wrote: ... DeepL is a great resource but I think it only gets me part of the way. Here is an example:
Zola:
Ah ! que sont loin les verdures moirées d'or par les clartés jaunes et rouges du couchant !
DeepL:
Ah! by the yellow and red light of the sunset! ...
I would have to agree that this is fine example of the current limits of computer-aided translation systems. DeepL missed half the information and all of the intensity, expressiveness, and style of the original. Thanks for sharing this!
Re: Le groupe français 2016 - 2018 Les Voyageurs
Posted: Tue Feb 27, 2018 11:37 pm
by Carmody
I agree, and I have yet to understand <<moirées >>.
Re: Le groupe français 2016 - 2018 Les Voyageurs
Posted: Wed Feb 28, 2018 12:40 am
by Speakeasy
moirer: vb., to water, to shimmer
la lune moirait l'étang de reflets argentés = the moon cast a shimmering silvery light over the pool
moiré: adj., watered effect, marbled, shimmering
Ah ! que sont loin les verdures moirées d'or par les clartés jaunes et rouges du couchant! = Ah! by the yellow and red light of the sunset! ?????
Re: Le groupe français 2016 - 2018 Les Voyageurs
Posted: Wed Feb 28, 2018 1:02 am
by Carmody
Many thanks!
Re: Le groupe français 2016 - 2018 Les Voyageurs
Posted: Wed Feb 28, 2018 3:16 am
by smallwhite
Carmody wrote:I agree, and I have yet to understand <<moirées >>.
Wiktionary lets you search conjugated words.
https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/moirées
Re: Le groupe français 2016 - 2018 Les Voyageurs
Posted: Wed Feb 28, 2018 4:12 pm
by Carmody
A bit of total trivia that is useless to all, but that I find interesting. I collect many different synonymes francais and as a consequence am never sure which word is appropriate for which usage, however, to date in this particular category of moiré I have collected over the past two years the following:
moiré
irisé, e
scintillant (e)
étincelant
pétillant (e)
éclatant,
chatoyantes
brillait
miroiter
Just ran across another:
chatoyer
Like I said, it is total trivia.
Re: Le groupe français 2016 - 2018 Les Voyageurs
Posted: Wed Feb 28, 2018 4:27 pm
by smallwhite
Carmody wrote:
moiré
irisé, e
scintillant (e)
étincelant
pétillant (e)
éclatant,
chatoyantes
brillait
miroiter
I forget what language, but I was cleaning up my flashcards recently, and wondering about the English translations:
shiny
glittery
sparkly
shimmering
etc
Re: Le groupe français 2016 - 2018 Les Voyageurs
Posted: Wed Feb 28, 2018 4:41 pm
by Carmody
Excellent point; thank you.
Here is my subjective guess re usage:
shiny- a car is shiny from its recent wax job
glittery-glittery eye shadow or a glittery dress
sparkly-at certain times of year the light on the lake sparkles
shimmering-we drove across the desert, through the shimmering heat haze.
etc