Sarafina wrote:I think I've already posted links for some of the shows listed before. But this is just a bunch of links to cartoons that are available for free on YouTube and are in French.
This was a lot of work. Thank you.
Sarafina wrote:I think I've already posted links for some of the shows listed before. But this is just a bunch of links to cartoons that are available for free on YouTube and are in French.
MorkTheFiddle wrote:Shouldn’t every language teacher and every language program that wants my money be able to (1) say where it will pick me up and where it will leave me off and (2) provide me with data that show they have and can do such a thing? By number (1) I mean tell me it will take me from A0 to C2, or only from B1 to B2, or just teach me all the ways to say good-bye. By number (2) I mean something like we have taught 100 students in the last 10 years, all of them starting from scratch, and 30 of them have passed the highest level proficiency exams that there are for that language, and here are the records and data to prove that.
Probably some universities, some language schools, the Foreign Service Institute and other schools could provide such data, though I don’t know whether in fact they can or do.
Cavesa wrote: Yet, a student of the Master degree I met years ago told me: "I don't read the obligatory books in French, it would take me too much time". Doesn't sound like C2 (or even C1).
zjones wrote:RFI Savoirs has a lot more than just Journal en Français Facile.
I have been doing these kinds of exercises (Exercise 1, Exercise 2) on their website and I think they are great for listening comprehension! These exercises are aimed at students at level B2, but they would be appropriate for students at level B1 as well.
RFI Savoirs is my favorite website for improving my news and media vocabulary in preparation for the DELF.
My apologies for quoting everything you said, but my response won't be completely clear without referring to it.Cavesa wrote:
When it comes to the usual cefr labeled coursebooks (+grammar books, vocab builders, and so on), there is such data. The cefr level is defined in much more detail, than what people usually look at, including the grammar and vocab, and so on. So, the label means what part of the defined knowledge on the list it should cover. (For example the Spanish cefr definitions are publicly available on the Cervantes website. You can check what pieces of grammar, what types of interactions, what words you should know at each level. And the coursebooks with the cefr label follow that. A French publication like this most probably exists, but I haven't seen it publicly available for free)
Nobody can guarantee you will reach the level, but the book covers the required knowledge you need in order to get there. Most people don't, but it is because of lack of more practice and because of individual differences. Also, an A1 coursebook can be trusted to cover everything for that level, a C1 coursebook is always just a sample (but can still be very useful).
The teachers are more complicated. The biggest problem is, that they tend to take such questions as an offense. Or they avoid the answers either because they want to hide the facts away or sometimes out of ignorance. For example, I asked about the end level at my sister's school, when she was choosing her second foreign language. I asked what level do the students usually reach by the time they finish high school and also how many do pass the cefr exams and at what levels (at my highschool, a not that small % of students was taking those exams, it was normal). The teacher didn't even understand my questions and started like "but we do not force them to take such exams!" What the hell?
With the individual tutoring (but also some classes), it becomes even more tricky, as the tutors do not usually follow a coursebook. So, they are often guessing the levels even more wildly than the learners themselves. It seems to be a common experience on this forum that the tutor makes the learner do activities for a much lower level. They have no clue.
Probably some universities, some language schools, the Foreign Service Institute and other schools could provide such data, though I don’t know whether in fact they can or do.
They don't bother. It would be natural and not complicated at all, if for example the local AF put the info on their website, as something to be proud of. Like: "the B1.4 classes were attended by 28 students in the year 2017/18, 7 of them took DELF B1, 6 passed, and the average note was 65. 23 students decided to continue in the B2.1 class". But they simply don't bother, because the mainstream language learners do not demand enough information.
The universities often give such information, but I am not sure how trustworthy it is. For example the French degree students in Prague are supposed to reach C1 at the end of BA (is that the lower level degree in the anglophone countries?) and C2 at the end of the Master degree. It's not just about the language, there is a lot of literature, some history, etc. Yet, a student of the Master degree I met years ago told me: "I don't read the obligatory books in French, it would take me too much time". Doesn't sound like C2 (or even C1).
zjones wrote:RFI Savoirs has a lot more than just Journal en Français Facile.
I have been doing these kinds of exercises (Exercise 1, Exercise 2) on their website and I think they are great for listening comprehension! These exercises are aimed at students at level B2, but they would be appropriate for students at level B1 as well.
RFI Savoirs is my favorite website for improving my news and media vocabulary in preparation for the DELF.
If you study an hour or so a day with proper materials, then, yes, IMHO A1 in one year seems like a reasonable goal.javier_getafe wrote:But, at this moment, I am pretty enthusiastic to reach a goal. I think it is a believable and approachable target. To reach A1 level in one year, isn't it?
MorkTheFiddle wrote:If you study an hour or so a day with proper materials, then, yes, IMHO A1 in one year seems like a reasonable goal.javier_getafe wrote:But, at this moment, I am pretty enthusiastic to reach a goal. I think it is a believable and approachable target. To reach A1 level in one year, isn't it?
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