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Re: Le groupe français 2016 - 2023 Les Voyageurs

Postby tastyonions » Mon Mar 27, 2023 2:48 pm

jeffers wrote:I was listening to Europe 1 this morning, and heard an interview in which Chat GTP was discussed quite a bit. I found it interesting that both the interviewer and interviewee pronounced both "chat" and the letters "GTP" as they are pronounced in English. I think I've heard them both pronounced in a more French way before, but I can't be sure. How have you heard this pronounced in French media?

It's not always predictable which things will be pronounced à l'anglaise or not. For example, in French "CIA" is /se.i.a/ (Frenchified) but "FBI" is /ɛf.bi.aj/ (English-ish).

Maybe the fact that GPT is a homophone with "j'ai pété" helps push things toward English-y pronunciation.
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Re: Le groupe français 2016 - 2023 Les Voyageurs

Postby jeffers » Thu Mar 30, 2023 11:36 am

Inspired by Carmody's "French Book Reading Resource" thread, I'd like to start a "French Music Discussion" thread. The idea is to share what you have enjoyed (or not) for the benefit of others. I don't want to make these hard and fast rules, but I would prefer posts ot focus on a single thing (a song, a band, a singer, an album, a genre, a concept, etc), with some detail about it, rather than lists of "here are my favourite singers/songs". Something which people can respond to and discuss.

Here's a link: https://forum.language-learners.org/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=19047 I've kicked it off with Ultra Vomit.
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Re: Le groupe français 2016 - 2023 Les Voyageurs

Postby Tourneliste » Sun Apr 02, 2023 10:04 pm

jeffers wrote:I was listening to Europe 1 this morning, and heard an interview in which Chat GTP was discussed quite a bit. I found it interesting that both the interviewer and interviewee pronounced both "chat" and the letters "GTP" as they are pronounced in English. I think I've heard them both pronounced in a more French way before, but I can't be sure. How have you heard this pronounced in French media?

In fact, most of the recent English terms are pronounced like in English, except for those where it sounds impossible for a French, for example the sound “th”. We won’t say <phonétique franco-française> <blü-toute>, but rather an almost correct <bloutouff>.
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Re: Le groupe français 2016 - 2023 Les Voyageurs

Postby DaveAgain » Sun Apr 09, 2023 3:42 pm

New-to-me expression, lire/regarder en diagonale > skim through / glance over.
... je me suis réveillé pour les trois derniers et j'ai regardé en diagonale Holland, Rosas et Gastelum

https://youtu.be/KlnNdny9clk?t=2544
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Postby jeffers » Wed May 10, 2023 12:34 pm

How is "Hindi", the name of the language, supposed to be written and said n French? Online searches are mostly bringing up l'hindi, in which case I think the writers are assuming the H is silent. For example, this page from Lawless French: https://www.lawlessfrench.com/vocabulary/languages/.

However, I believe it should be written as in the name of the Assimil course, Le hindi, in which case the H would be vocalized. The French Wikipedia page on the language spells it this way throughout. That still leaves open the question of pronouncing the H or not.

Here's a discussion on Word Reference, but it doesn't help much: https://forum.wordreference.com/threads/le-lhindi-prononciation-%C3%A9lision.718068/

Does anyone have a definitive answer as to which is correct?
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Re: Le groupe français 2016 - 2023 Les Voyageurs

Postby DaveAgain » Wed May 10, 2023 1:18 pm

jeffers wrote:How is "Hindi", the name of the language, supposed to be written and said n French? Online searches are mostly bringing up l'hindi, in which case I think the writers are assuming the H is silent. For example, this page from Lawless French: https://www.lawlessfrench.com/vocabulary/languages/.

However, I believe it should be written as in the name of the Assimil course, Le hindi, in which case the H would be vocalized. The French Wikipedia page on the language spells it this way throughout. That still leaves open the question of pronouncing the H or not.

Here's a discussion on Word Reference, but it doesn't help much: https://forum.wordreference.com/threads/le-lhindi-prononciation-%C3%A9lision.718068/

Does anyone have a definitive answer as to which is correct?
Larousse.fr and forvo.com have sound files.

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YouTube has a apprendre l'hindi video. Radiofrance.fr has a short piece l'hindi n'est pas l'inde.
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Postby jeffers » Wed May 10, 2023 2:16 pm

DaveAgain wrote:[Larousse.fr and forvo.com have sound files.

EDIT
YouTube has a apprendre l'hindi video. Radiofrance.fr has a short piece l'hindi n'est pas l'inde.


Your links are good examples of the confusion. the Larousse link clearly spells it as "Le hindi", since the example sentence given is "Qui se rapporte au hindi", whereas the Forvo link spells it as "l'hindi".
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Re: Le groupe français 2016 - 2023 Les Voyageurs

Postby Le Baron » Wed May 10, 2023 4:41 pm

jeffers wrote:However, I believe it should be written as in the name of the Assimil course, Le hindi, in which case the H would be vocalized. The French Wikipedia page on the language spells it this way throughout. That still leaves open the question of pronouncing the H or not.


Even in that case the 'h' isn't vocalised. It only shows lack of elision for that word, and the prononciation is on the 'le' (rather than it being l'). E.g. La hachette is still pronounced like: la 'achette with hachette part sounding exactly the same if it were to be elided as l'hachette. The definite article is what gets voiced in cases of 'h aspiré'.

French is not consistent with things like hindi, because it treats 'hindouisme with an 'h muet'.

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Re: Le groupe français 2016 - 2023 Les Voyageurs

Postby Dragon27 » Thu May 11, 2023 4:01 am

https://fr.wiktionary.org/wiki/hindi
Le mot se prononce avec ou sans aspiration. On peut donc dire « le hindi » ou « l’hindi », « du hindi » ou « de l’hindi ».
(h aspiré)\in.di\ ou (h muet)\in.di\

'Prononce avec aspiration' doesn't mean, of course, that the actual /h/ sound is pronounced.
Hindou, on the other hand, seems to always have 'h muet' (which, probably, goes for all the derivative words with the 'hindou' root).
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Re: Le groupe français 2016 - 2023 Les Voyageurs

Postby DaveAgain » Mon Jul 17, 2023 8:27 am

I can't decide what's being said in a segment of audio. The YouTube auto-generated subtitles say
... qui auraient été à même de

but it sounds to me more like
sur d'a été à même de

What do you think the lady is saying?
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