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Re: French listening and oral production

Postby Carmody » Mon Jun 13, 2022 5:06 pm

Thanks so much.

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Re: French listening and oral production

Postby lingohot » Fri Jun 17, 2022 6:04 am

Hello,

again I need your help, maybe you can figure out what he's saying (each file has only a few seconds)? Good listening exercise, I guess... :lol:
I only understand some parts. In the second file I think he says in the end "Kenza, ma copine, tu vas bien, hein?"
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Re: French listening and oral production

Postby guyome » Fri Jun 17, 2022 7:33 am

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Espèce de sale arabe, i(ls) t'ont toujours pas appelé Daesh ? Tête de con, va !
Kenza, ma copine, tu vas bien ?

02
Mais arrête d'écouter ton frère, i(l) dit que des conneries.
Et va mettre ton voile. Elle est où ta burka là ?

03
Non, désolé, Madame, mais, la tête de ma mère, c'est vos enfants i(ls) m'ont insulté en premier. T'façon, vous savez très bien i(ls) sont mal élevés vos enfants.

Not textbook French for sure but that's how a large (growing?) segment of the population speaks. Especially conspicuous is the loss/reshaping of relative clauses (from "c'est lui qui..." to "c'est lui il...") and the loss of "que" after "vous savez".
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Re: French listening and oral production

Postby lingohot » Fri Jun 17, 2022 4:11 pm

Wow, thank you!

guyome wrote:Not textbook French for sure but that's how a large (growing?) segment of the population speaks. Especially conspicuous is the loss/reshaping of relative clauses (from "c'est lui qui..." to "c'est lui il...") and the loss of "que" after "vous savez".


This is precisely the register that's still very hard for me, even after 15+ years of seriously studying French. I need to put in a bit more effort and focus even more on listening comprehension (I've been listening to French on a daily basis, sometimes for hours, for over 12 years now, but sometimes I still have a hard time understanding people, especially when they talk like that, extremely informal, super fast etc.).
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Re: French listening and oral production

Postby Le Baron » Fri Jun 17, 2022 11:25 pm

lingohot wrote:Wow, thank you!

guyome wrote:Not textbook French for sure but that's how a large (growing?) segment of the population speaks. Especially conspicuous is the loss/reshaping of relative clauses (from "c'est lui qui..." to "c'est lui il...") and the loss of "que" after "vous savez".


This is precisely the register that's still very hard for me, even after 15+ years of seriously studying French. I need to put in a bit more effort and focus even more on listening comprehension (I've been listening to French on a daily basis, sometimes for hours, for over 12 years now, but sometimes I still have a hard time understanding people, especially when they talk like that, extremely informal, super fast etc.).

You're not alone. On 3 I didn't catch the final part at all: 'T'façon, vous savez très bien i(ls) sont mal élevés vos enfants.' Also the word 'arrête' in number 2, it just disappears. The 'easiest' was number 1.

Guyome's ears are obviously far more attuned to this. Whenever I watch films with this kind of speech (the last was Tu mérites un amour on Arte) I skipped back a few times on some bits.
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Re: French listening and oral production

Postby PeterMollenburg » Sat Jun 18, 2022 3:44 am

Le Baron wrote:
lingohot wrote:Wow, thank you!

guyome wrote:Not textbook French for sure but that's how a large (growing?) segment of the population speaks. Especially conspicuous is the loss/reshaping of relative clauses (from "c'est lui qui..." to "c'est lui il...") and the loss of "que" after "vous savez".


This is precisely the register that's still very hard for me, even after 15+ years of seriously studying French. I need to put in a bit more effort and focus even more on listening comprehension (I've been listening to French on a daily basis, sometimes for hours, for over 12 years now, but sometimes I still have a hard time understanding people, especially when they talk like that, extremely informal, super fast etc.).

You're not alone. On 3 I didn't catch the final part at all: 'T'façon, vous savez très bien i(ls) sont mal élevés vos enfants.' Also the word 'arrête' in number 2, it just disappears. The 'easiest' was number 1.

Guyome's ears are obviously far more attuned to this. Whenever I watch films with this kind of speech (the last was Tu mérites un amour on Arte) I skipped back a few times on some bits.


8+ years French here and that was not easy. The third recording disappears into a swallowed garble of what seems Middle Eastern/North African accented French but remains a clearly audible yet definitely incomprehensible mess for me, the new kid on the block.

The more time I put into Norwegian lately (very little), the faster my French aural skills will grow, right? It's not my fault, blame the Norwegians!

Tnx Guyome for the transcripts:)
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Re: French listening and oral production

Postby lingohot » Sat Jun 18, 2022 6:14 am

It is always humbling to encounter stuff like that. But it's also a good motivation to not give up and to continue studying. There's always new things to learn and things to improve, which is actually a good thing I guess (language learning can be a life-long task, wonderful). I will make audio cards from these extracts :)
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Re: French listening and oral production

Postby guyome » Sat Jun 18, 2022 7:45 pm

Glad I could help this time!
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