2020 366-day challenge! Rules, sign-up, discussion

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Re: 2020 366-day challenge! Rules, sign-up, discussion

Postby Sedge » Sun Dec 29, 2019 11:01 pm

Godryka wrote:I'd like to sign up for Mandarin and French, starting January 1st. I hope this is allowed, given that I am still participating in the 2019 365-day challenge until January 30th, so I would be scoring (or losing) points in January for two challenges at the same time...


I think that is fine. Are you doing Mandarin and French as a generic, or as two specific?
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Re: 2020 366-day challenge! Rules, sign-up, discussion

Postby Godryka » Mon Dec 30, 2019 7:54 pm

Sedge wrote:
Godryka wrote:I'd like to sign up for Mandarin and French, starting January 1st. I hope this is allowed, given that I am still participating in the 2019 365-day challenge until January 30th, so I would be scoring (or losing) points in January for two challenges at the same time...


I think that is fine. Are you doing Mandarin and French as a generic, or as two specific?


I want to sign up for Mandarin and French separately. This arrangement worked out pretty well for me in 2019, in terms of the progress I made in both languages, even despite many missed days.
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Re: 2020 366-day challenge! Rules, sign-up, discussion

Postby Sedge » Mon Dec 30, 2019 11:25 pm

Awesome. I will update the list, then!
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Re: 2020 366-day challenge! Rules, sign-up, discussion

Postby klvik » Tue Dec 31, 2019 2:21 pm

I would like to sign up for a January 1st start. Spanish.
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Re: 2020 366-day challenge! Rules, sign-up, discussion

Postby AnneL » Tue Dec 31, 2019 7:13 pm

I think I'll start one as well, for Korean only. 1st Jan.
Thanks for organising.
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Re: 2020 366-day challenge! Rules, sign-up, discussion

Postby Querneus » Tue Dec 31, 2019 9:26 pm

Ser - Mandarin - Specific - Beginning January 1, 2020
Ser - Taiwanese Minnan, Ancient Greek - Generic - Beginning January 1, 2020

(It is December 31st, 1:25 p.m. at the time I'm writing this post.)


By the way, there is a small mistake in the Penalties section in the opening post:
Sedge wrote:3. Studying 29 minutes (or less) is not acceptable. You can't make up that minute or few minutes the next day. That's a fail - loss of 1 day.

This should be "loss of 7 days". This same rule appears correctly in the Time required to study each day section.
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Re: 2020 366-day challenge! Rules, sign-up, discussion

Postby ロータス » Tue Dec 31, 2019 9:42 pm

Ser wrote:By the way, there is a small mistake in the Penalties section in the opening post:
Sedge wrote:3. Studying 29 minutes (or less) is not acceptable. You can't make up that minute or few minutes the next day. That's a fail - loss of 1 day.

This should be "loss of 7 days". This same rule appears correctly in the Time required to study each day section.


The leader of this years challenge changed it to 1 day because people believe that people quit because -7 days for one missed day was too much. They talk about it in the 2019 discussion post.
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Re: 2020 366-day challenge! Rules, sign-up, discussion

Postby Sedge » Tue Dec 31, 2019 10:56 pm

Ser wrote:By the way, there is a small mistake in the Penalties section in the opening post:
Sedge wrote:3. Studying 29 minutes (or less) is not acceptable. You can't make up that minute or few minutes the next day. That's a fail - loss of 1 day.

This should be "loss of 7 days". This same rule appears correctly in the Time required to study each day section.


ロータス is correct; this rule has changed this year. The reason for the change was discussed in the 2019 thread - there were some participants who did not like the 7-day rule - and at the beginning of the rules post I noted that there would be changes:
Sedge wrote:I am, with permission, re-using most of the rules from 2019, but a few things have changed, namely in the scoring and categories, so please take a moment to read through!


Thanks for checking regarding the rules, and for participating!

We officially start tomorrow! Can't wait! I'm so happy that we've had so many people sign up!
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Re: 2020 366-day challenge! Rules, sign-up, discussion

Postby Serpent » Tue Dec 31, 2019 11:10 pm

I'm signing up with generic (Slavic and Germanic languages), starting January 1st.

Won't count English and obviously no Russian either :lol:
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Re: 2020 366-day challenge! Rules, sign-up, discussion

Postby Querneus » Wed Jan 01, 2020 1:46 am

ロータス wrote:The leader of this years challenge changed it to 1 day because people believe that people quit because -7 days for one missed day was too much. They talk about it in the 2019 discussion post.

Sedge wrote:ロータス is correct; this rule has changed this year. The reason for the change was discussed in the 2019 thread - there were some participants who did not like the 7-day rule - and at the beginning of the rules post I noted that there would be changes:

Oh, but if that's the case, then other points in the opening post should be corrected instead:

a) Time required to study each day section, point 6, still says the penalty is of "7 days"
b) Penalties section, point 1, says: "Thus, if you do miss/skip a day, you must study the next day, you cannot take a break and study 7 days later." This sentence only makes sense under the old rules, because previously people could miss a day and then be like, "urgh, that's negative 7 points, so I guess that's a week-long break that doesn't matter too", even though this was not true.
c) Changing or adding languages section, point 9, shows a calculation where the penalty per day is of 7 days

(It was this inconsistency that made me post my correction above. I didn't follow or read the 2019 version of this challenge at all.)

I was cool with a penalty of -7 days, although I did think it was surprisingly brutal too. :lol:


By the way, let me say this just now, I have only about 40% confidence that I will actually finish my generic (Taiwanese + Greek) challenge. That is, I think it is more likely I'll "fail" than not (if we define "failure" as less than 300 days, i.e. less than ~10 months). In fact I have only about 70% confidence that I won't give up near the middle in the summer. Nevertheless I'll try (even 40% is reasonably close to 50%).

(For Mandarin, my confidence is about 95% for a final score of >300 days, and I'm not gonna bother with a give-up-in-the-middle number.)
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