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PHONETIC pangrams?

Postby thegreenlearner » Mon Jul 16, 2018 2:04 am

I recently met a native German that had an impressive American accent. She told me she practiced pronunciation frequently with English Phonetic pangrams. I had never heard of phonetic pangrams before.

I've searched and found some short English ones here:http://clagnut.com/blog/2380/#English_phonetic_pangrams and here: https://www.quora.com/Is-there-a-text-that-covers-the-entire-English-phonetic-range

And some more lengthy English ones here: https://web.archive.org/web/20160922013438/http://alt-usage-english.org:80/audio_archive.shtml



Does anybody know where to find these phonetic pangrams for other languages?

I'd be especially interested in seeing some for all the Romance languages in general. French and Portuguese specifically.

These phonetic pangrams would be interesting to see for any language. So if you know of any, for any language, please post them.
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Re: PHONETIC pangrams?

Postby Käfer » Mon Jul 16, 2018 1:00 pm

This isn't exactly the same thing, but a set of English sentences was developed specifically to cover phonetics:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harvard_sentences
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Re: PHONETIC pangrams?

Postby aokoye » Mon Jul 16, 2018 4:36 pm

The teaching of pronunciation is definitely something that is done by some teachers/professors of languages. I know at least one professor who teaches future ESL teachers how to teach pronunciation. For French, of the top of my head I know that CLE has their Phonétique progressive du français series. There are also a number of German books aimed at second/foreign language learners that I know of including Einfach Deutsch aussprechen, Phonothek intensiv, and Phonetik aktuell.
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Re: PHONETIC pangrams?

Postby Ani » Mon Jul 16, 2018 5:14 pm

aokoye wrote:The teaching of pronunciation is definitely something that is done by some teachers/professors of languages. I know at least one professor who teaches future ESL teachers how to teach pronunciation. For French, of the top of my head I know that CLE has their Phonétique progressive du français series. There are also a number of German books aimed at second/foreign language learners that I know of including Einfach Deutsch aussprechen, Phonothek intensiv, and Phonetik aktuell.

The OP is referencing pangrams, not programs :)

I don't know any in French but I'll take a look...

Édit: https://french.stackexchange.com/questi ... n-français
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Re: PHONETIC pangrams?

Postby aokoye » Mon Jul 16, 2018 5:58 pm

Ani wrote:
aokoye wrote:The teaching of pronunciation is definitely something that is done by some teachers/professors of languages. I know at least one professor who teaches future ESL teachers how to teach pronunciation. For French, of the top of my head I know that CLE has their Phonétique progressive du français series. There are also a number of German books aimed at second/foreign language learners that I know of including Einfach Deutsch aussprechen, Phonothek intensiv, and Phonetik aktuell.

The OP is referencing pangrams, not programs :)

I don't know any in French but I'll take a look...

Édit: https://french.stackexchange.com/questi ... n-français

That's what I get for replying before finishing breakfast! :roll:
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Re: PHONETIC pangrams?

Postby jonm » Mon Jul 16, 2018 6:32 pm

Ani wrote:I don't know any in French but I'll take a look...

Édit: https://french.stackexchange.com/questi ... n-français

That phonetic pangram sonnet is great! I might try to memorize it. I like that you get not just one but seven phonetic pangrams, so you get different sequences of phonemes to practice, different transitions from one to the next. And the fact that it makes at least some sense (I'll have to do a little translating to see how much) will make it easier to remember. Thanks for finding and posting, Ani!
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Re: PHONETIC pangrams?

Postby Ccaesar » Mon Jul 16, 2018 9:55 pm

aokoye wrote:The teaching of pronunciation is definitely something that is done by some teachers/professors of languages. I know at least one professor who teaches future ESL teachers how to teach pronunciation. For French, of the top of my head I know that CLE has their Phonétique progressive du français series. There are also a number of German books aimed at second/foreign language learners that I know of including Einfach Deutsch aussprechen, Phonothek intensiv, and Phonetik aktuell.


Do you know if there are any courses like that for Italian?
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Re: PHONETIC pangrams?

Postby kulaputra » Mon Jul 16, 2018 10:01 pm

This is neat although it merits noting that merely covering the phonemes of a language won't grant you native-like accent. One of the linked pangrams is, thus, phonetic and not merely phonemic and is probably the most useful one:

The beige hue on the waters of the loch impressed all, including the French queen, before she heard that symphony again, just as young Arthur wanted.” (a phonetic, not merely phonemic, pangram. It contains both nasals [m] and [ɱ] (as in ‘symphony’), the fricatives [x] (as in ‘loch’) and [ç] (as in ‘hue’), and the ‘dark L’ [ɫ] (as in ‘all’) - in other words, it contains different allophones.)


Although "loch" is probably not worth including given how marginal the phoneme is in non-Scottish English and the fact many Anglophones pronounce it as "lock" anyways.

I say this because often L2 speakers sound non-native because of slightly deviant phonetic realizations even when they are phonemically on point, i.e. Anglophones learning Spanish failing to realize /b d g/ as approximants/fricatives in the appropriate phonetic contexts.

Finally there's the matter of prosody. I'm not sure any single sentence could cover the entire prosodic range of a language.
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Re: PHONETIC pangrams?

Postby jonm » Tue Jul 17, 2018 2:31 am

A very kind RhinoSpike user has recorded audio for the French phonetic pangram sonnet. It's here.

He has a North American accent, which is interesting for me to hear, since the accents in most of the material I've been using have been European. What's most noticeable to me is that in his pronunciation of words like bien, moyen, and combien, the nasal vowel traditionally transcribed as /ɛ̃/ really does sound like [ɛ̃] rather than the more open [æ̃] or [ã] that I'm used to. In some words, it's not very nasal, so more like [ɛ]. (Also, as I believe is typical for North American French, /ɛ̃/ and /œ̃/ pronounced quite distinctly, no merger as in some varieties of European French.)

Worth noting that probably very few native French speakers from any part of the world would naturally pronounce the sonnet so that in every pair of lines each phoneme occurs exactly once, unless they made a special effort. It requires pronouncing some words ending in -e with a final schwa and others without, certain liaisons, and so on. I was more interested in hearing it as the reader would naturally pronounce it.
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Re: PHONETIC pangrams?

Postby thegreenlearner » Wed Jul 18, 2018 6:24 am

Ani wrote:
aokoye wrote:The teaching of pronunciation is definitely something that is done by some teachers/professors of languages. I know at least one professor who teaches future ESL teachers how to teach pronunciation. For French, of the top of my head I know that CLE has their Phonétique progressive du français series. There are also a number of German books aimed at second/foreign language learners that I know of including Einfach Deutsch aussprechen, Phonothek intensiv, and Phonetik aktuell.

The OP is referencing pangrams, not programs :)

I don't know any in French but I'll take a look...

Édit: https://french.stackexchange.com/questi ... n-français


Thank You.
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