How to Start French?

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Re: How to Start French?

Postby reineke » Thu Jun 09, 2016 2:19 am

Cavesa wrote:I think we may have frightened the OP a bit :-D


Nah. Did you check the link in OP's profile?

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Anyway, here's a link to a free sample of Mauger's course:

http://www.christianpuren.com/app/download/5819152851/Cours_Langue_civilisation_fran%C3%A7aise_1955.pdf?t=1454701188

MAUGER Gaston, Cours de langue et de civilisation françaises I (although the cover says II)
1e éd. 1955, revue 1967, rééd. revue et mise à jour 1985.

It's a comprehensive course, which, unlike most modern audio courses very quickly starts introducing literature, essays, and news excerpts in the learning process. I think it's a killer combination with a good audio course.

Of course, you could also join me and "just" watch cartoons in your spare time :)
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Re: How to Start French?

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Re: How to Start French?

Postby PeterMollenburg » Thu Jun 09, 2016 9:12 am

reineke wrote:
PeterMollenburg wrote:
reineke wrote:
PeterMollenburg wrote:My recommondations are as follows.

1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6?


Assuming one skips no. 3 is that suggested warm up before FSI? Don't you think you're overdoing it with courses?


Some clarification on your statement would help. Do you mean me? That I am doing too many? Or I am suggesting too many? And suggesting too many why? Because the OP only asked for one suggestion only? I didn't suggest FSI, but I'm aiming to do it.


I didn't think a clarification was necessary. I asked, in light of this:

Re: When do you leave courses behind?
Post by PeterMollenburg » Sun Feb 28, 2016 11:34 pm

PeterMollenburg wrote:NEVER!!!

ahahahahahah (very evil laugh)

I really really..... really enjoy courses. I can't stop using them. Well it's not that I can't stop, I have so many of them and I really enjoy using them, so I continue to do so. Mind you I have a much more balanced approach nowadays,


and this:

PeterMollenburg wrote:
Completed courses (order of completion)
First Thousand Words in French (Usborne)
Hugo French in 3 Months
Colloquial French
Usborne French Dictionary for Beginners
Michel Thomas - Total French
Michel Thomas - Perfect French
Michel Thomas - Masterclass French
Pimsleur French 1
Fluenz French 1
Pimsleur French 2
Linguaphone French all talk
Learn French with Paul Noble
Rocket French - Premium
Fluenz French 2
Mastering French 1 (FSI French Basic Units 1 to 6)
Pimsleur French 3
Living Language - Essential French
Pimsleur French 4
Fluenz French 3
Rocket French Premium Plus

Current Courses in use
Assimil New French with Ease (2nd wave finally near completion after putting it down many times)
Teach Yourself Get Started in French (not impressed- mining it for vocab, skipping exercises that are a waste of time)
Assimil Using French (currently leçon 44, finding it slow going, but still progressing... umm, slowly)
Pimsleur French 5 (just doing it occasionally in my car when commuting)
Rocket French Platinum (practically finished but just wanting to review some lessons)
Fluenz French 4 (recently started off from where I left off- relatively easy but great for drilling longish sentences, improving tone and accent and listening skills to a degree)
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COURSES TO DO!!!

Strictly for Vocab mining (generally vocab. in isolation):
French vocabulary lists
French Frequency Dictionary (5000 words)
Bilingual French/English Visual Dictionary (6000 words)
French for English Speakers (9000 words)
M. Durands Words, Phrases & Sentences
Barron's Mastering French Vocabulary
Dirty French
Mot à Mot New Advanced French Vocabulary

"Courses"
Living Language 2
Bien-dire Bon appétit (A2-B1)
Living Language 3
Vocabulaire progressif du français (débutant)
Grammaire progressive du français (débutant)
FSI Introduction to French Phonology
Glossika French EN-FR 1
Grammaire progressive du français (intermédiaire)
Vocabulaire progressif du français (intermédiaire)
Assimil French without Toil
Teach Yourself Complete French
Bien dire: French Expressions (B1-B2)
Glossika French EN-FR 2
Linguaphone French 1
D'accord - La prononciation du français internat.
Fluenz French 5
La prononciation française pour de vraie
FSI French Fast Course (Metropolitan French)
Bien-dire: Guide de prononciation
Vis-à-vis
Conversations Françaises 20 lessons Cortina Method
Teach Yourself Perfect French
Glossika French EN-FR 3
Hugo French Advanced
Colloquial French 2
French in Action (2nd edition)
Production écrite B1/B2
Tell me More (levels 1-10)
Préparation à l'examen du DELF B2
FSI Headstart for Belgium
Teach Yourself French Grammar
Bien-dire: C'est la vie en Fr. (B2-C1)
Bien-dire: Expressions courrantes (B2-C1)
Réussir le DELF B2
Activités pour le CECR niveau B2
Tell me More (Business/advanced)
FSI French Basic (units 7-24)
French in Action (3rd edition)
Grammaire progressive du français (avancé)
Vocabulaire progressif du français (avancé)
DLI French
The Ultimate French Verb Review and Practise
FSI Le monde francophone
The Ultimate French Review and Practise
Bien-dire: Conversations entre amis (C1-C2)
French Verb Mastery
FSI Sub-Saharan French
Assimil Business French
Practise Makes Perfect - Advanced French Grammar
Street French 1
Learn French with Jokes 1
Street French 2
Learn French with Jokes 2
Réussir le DALF C1 et C2
Production écrite niveaux C1/C2
Grammaire progressive du français (perfectionnement)
Vocabulaire progressive du français (perfectionnement)


Full disclosure: my idea of "studying Spanish"involves changing the default language in my media player. In short, I don't think either of us is a great example of a balanced approach.


And reality is creeping in ever so slowly... i'm not likely to finish all these courses dammit! (as if no-one knew) ;)
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Re: How to Start French?

Postby Carmody » Thu Jun 09, 2016 10:25 am

Lots of good advice above; much food for thought. However remember how lucky you are to have found this website at this point in your journey. The members and Moderators are excellent so you are very lucky to have found them.

Seriously.
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Re: How to Start French?

Postby rlnv » Thu Jun 09, 2016 7:32 pm

PeterMollenburg wrote:My recommondations are as follows.

1 Begin with Pimsleur- as many levels as you can get your hands on (instead of Michel Thomas in the beginning) as it starts of very slowly - which I believe is great for a real beginner in French- to hear the sounds enunciated clearly.
2 Then move on to Michel Thomas after completing Pimsleur- again as many levels as you can. The speech is clear, don't get me wrong, but Pimsleur is exceptional in it's slow but clearly enunciated build up in order to hear the language clearly. MT will get you really rolling with various verb constructions etc.
3 Hugo French in 3 Months - only if you would like a quick overview of the language- via a combination of grammar explanations, vocabularly, conversations and exercises focusing on the introduced grammatical concepts (audio available). It's not the most exciting course (but not as dry as FSI), nor the most comprehensive but it is very good at giving a quick overview of what French is about in a short period of time. If you're not after that, no problemo.
4 Assimil New French with Ease- Can't beat it. Awesome. Authentic, short exercises, shortish lessons, not grammar 'heavy', nice audio, interesting brief cultural notes on occasion, a lengthy but not daunting course, great stuff really.
5 French in Action (if you've got the money and time, this is a really "full" course if all components are used, if not the time or money, skip it).

I also like Fluenz French as the best computer based course with plenty of drills and nice presentation, but like FIA above you're not likely to have sufficient time nor money to get through it all.

If i had to recommend 2 courses from the above list I'd go with Pimsleur to get you slowly accustomed to the language and Assimil to get you up to speed somewhat via an enjoyable method that isn't too brief nor scarily comprehensive.

There are other great courses that i'm yet to dive into, this is the best of what i've experienced so far.


Highlighting above mine.

This is a good list of French courses. Having completed or partially worked on all the above, and knowing how thorough Peter is with course usage and selection, I'll agree that its a good sequence.

Where I diverge a bit is that it is much more than just a start. :) So I'll offer to the OP the highlight above with two additions to Pimsleur and Assimil. Add a small grammar book and some graded readers and then you have a very solid starting point. Pimsleur for the slow roll that Peter mentioned, Assimil because it's just that good, a small grammar that fills in the cracks left by the two courses, and the graded readers because they are just so much fun to read.
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Re: How to Start French?

Postby Cainntear » Thu Jun 09, 2016 7:49 pm

reineke wrote:I won't discuss Michel Thomas but I see that Cainntear just couldn't resist. It sure brings back memories :)

Why would I resist giving the OP my recommendation? None of the rest of you did... :?
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Re: How to Start French?

Postby Carmody » Fri Jun 10, 2016 12:01 am

Native resources are always important in learning French and I was wondering how I might access places like:
http://www.arte.tv/fr
I saw suggestions before but I forgot where they are. Thanks.
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Re: How to Start French?

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Re: How to Start French?

Postby Carmody » Fri Jun 10, 2016 11:25 am

Merci Arnaud.
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Re: How to Start French?

Postby Finny » Fri Jun 10, 2016 5:45 pm

Carmody wrote:Native resources are always important in learning French and I was wondering how I might access places like:
http://www.arte.tv/fr
I saw suggestions before but I forgot where they are. Thanks.


I'm learning French in the US, and 99% of my study consists of either watching TV online or reading books. I get my TV from here: streema.com/tv/country/France...specifically, i>TELE. I started out with RFI, which is great for radio, but realized I'd learn much more quickly with visual cues, so I started looking for telenovelas, but couldn't readily find any, and then decided to just go for TV stations, and ended up on Streema. I went with France 24 first, but quickly preferred i>TELE because the programming was more France-focused, the connection was more consistent, and they include commercials.
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