Starting learning Frech from scratch, (once again!)

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Starting learning Frech from scratch, (once again!)

Postby javier_getafe » Mon Apr 29, 2024 8:37 pm

Hello everyone,

This year, I plan to start learning French from scratch. To be honest, this won't be my first attempt to do so, it will be the third and as you can guess, I failed the two previous times after making a try fo several weeks.
History repeats itself, I really wish that time would be different, but to do so I have to try it from a different approach. Easy peasy isn't it. Of course not. ;)

I am so used to spending time with english, either watching series, podcast, writing emails, reading books, that to start from scratch make me a little bit lazy,. I have to admit.
I believe that I really don't know how to do it properly. I trully believe it. I pick up a new A1 French book, and I begin to look at it, but I don't understand a single world, so after a couple of days, it really bores me.

So, my questions is. For starting from knowing nothing. What is, in your opinion, the best way to start? Perhaps, I am doing the things wrongly, I don't know.

I would be really pleased to hear from you.
Thanks!
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Re: Starting learning Frech from scratch, (once again!)

Postby kundalini » Mon Apr 29, 2024 9:36 pm

javier_getafe wrote:I am so used to spending time with english, either watching series, podcast, writing emails, reading books, that to start from scratch make me a little bit lazy,.

So, my questions is. For starting from knowing nothing. What is, in your opinion, the best way to start? Perhaps, I am doing the things wrongly, I don't know.


I don't know what the best way for you to start would be, but I can suggest a couple of resources that, given your post, you might enjoy -- all of them involve bilingual texts in some form. Apologies if you're already familiar with them!

http://es.bilinguis.com/
https://www.lonweb.org/
https://www.languagereactor.com/
https://forum.language-learners.org/vie ... 60#p136892

There's actually one more reading tool that isn't bilingual. You can read about it here:
https://forum.language-learners.org/vie ... hp?t=19672

Maybe you'd find it less dreadful to first consume content in some way, then after building up a certain amount of familiarity with French, return to textbooks or the like.
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Re: Starting learning Frech from scratch, (once again!)

Postby RosedesTempsAnciens » Mon Apr 29, 2024 10:17 pm

Hello,

French is a difficult language if it wasn't my native language I think I would not like to learn it, I wish you will succeed, and I hope my tips will works with you.

I think if you start from 0 it will be pretty good to start with children books (a simple story with animals, color etc), same for TV cartoons is for children and it's good for beginners! There's the option you can read a book in bilingual edition, but it's better to save it when you start to assimilate the notions / basic French.

Good luck and have fun !
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Re: Starting learning Frech from scratch, (once again!)

Postby dubendorf » Tue Apr 30, 2024 5:24 am

javier_getafe wrote:I pick up a new A1 French book, and I begin to look at it, but I don't understand a single world, so after a couple of days, it really bores me.

So, my questions is. For starting from knowing nothing. What is, in your opinion, the best way to start? Perhaps, I am doing the things wrongly, I don't know.


It sounds like maybe you need to clarify to yourself "why" you want to learn French. You don't mention in your post what your motivation is: Do you want to go on holiday to a French-speaking place? Do you want to read French literature? Do you want to move to France? I think if you have a strong enough reason for learning French, you will make the time for working through a book.
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Re: Starting learning Frech from scratch, (once again!)

Postby jeffers » Tue Apr 30, 2024 4:34 pm

javier_getafe wrote:I pick up a new A1 French book, and I begin to look at it, but I don't understand a single world, so after a couple of days, it really bores me.


If you're starting from scratch, then you can't really pick up an A1 book and understand anything. People differ, but I would never start a language without at least learning some vocabulary and grammar, despite what some YouTube videos say (e.g. "Don't learn the basics!") Prof Arguelles used to recommend the X in 3 Months courses by Hugo as a good foundation, followed by Assimil. Or the other way around, depending how analytical you are.

My go-to starting point is an Assimil course, because it builds gradually and it involves more text/audio than grammar notes. In theory I like the X in 3 Months courses, but I soon get bored of the style. If you don't want to tackle a full Assimil course from the start, they now have a shorter course which is supposed to cover up to A2. If you're more analytical, you might want to start with a course that puts the focus more on grammar.

I see you're a Spanish speaker, so you could use the Spanish-based version called Aprender Francés, or the English-based version called Learn French. Both books have a large "A2" and "Salut" on the cover. The best thing about this course is the audio is freely available on a few streaming services, so you can have a listen even if you don't buy the book. Here's the link to the course on spotify: https://open.spotify.com/album/1qD3DWlfMUC5r3uOD7LpYa
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Re: Starting learning Frech from scratch, (once again!)

Postby alcarazesco » Tue Apr 30, 2024 9:02 pm

Before buying expensive products, sample some of the free resources that another user helpfully compiled here: https://forum.language-learners.org/vie ... php?t=2914

TV5Monde and rfi.fr provide a solid overview of the basics. Also, watch Easy French on YouTube. They have videos featuring slower, more basic speech, like greetings and ordering food. Go through the barebones A1-A2 materials like these. See whether you enjoy the process of learning French.

If you decide to continue, then I'd again recommend the above resources and one good coursebook, such as Grammaire/Vocabulaire Progressif, French In Action, Pimsleur, or Assimil. Work through that course diligently.

After you have the basics down, start reading French newspapers, listening to French news, interacting with French media, reading French short stories and books, and talking to French natives. You will be exposed to new words and syntax that you can use yourself. See if you can mimic them in speech and writing. Don't feel discouraged if you don't understand much for a while. French pronunciation, with so many silent letters in the writing, is notoriously challenging. The more you listen, however, the better you get.
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Re: Starting learning Frech from scratch, (once again!)

Postby Severine » Wed May 01, 2024 8:17 am

javier_getafe wrote:This year, I plan to start learning French from scratch. To be honest, this won't be my first attempt to do so, it will be the third and as you can guess, I failed the two previous times after making a try fo several weeks.
History repeats itself, I really wish that time would be different, but to do so I have to try it from a different approach. Easy peasy isn't it. Of course not. ;)

I am so used to spending time with english, either watching series, podcast, writing emails, reading books, that to start from scratch make me a little bit lazy,. I have to admit.
I believe that I really don't know how to do it properly. I trully believe it. I pick up a new A1 French book, and I begin to look at it, but I don't understand a single world, so after a couple of days, it really bores me.
Thanks!

How did you learn English? The advantage of having learned one language to a high level is that you have some knowledge of what works for you. To what extent can you replicate whatever method worked for English and use it to learn French?

Another thing to consider is whether your prior false starts with French fizzled because you lacked a supportive structure for your learning. Are you someone who typically needs to follow a set plan or schedule in order to stay motivated and on track? If you need structure and you previously tackled French with no clear plan or routine established, that might have been part of why it didn't work. I know a few people who speak excellent English because they took it in school for many years, but when it comes to other languages, they don't make much progress because there's no teacher holding them accountable. For such people, it's useful to find a tutor or a language partner or some other form of external accountability.

Setting yourself up for success is more than choosing a sound method and interesting learning materials. There are many different ways to learn a language, but your odds of success will be much higher if you choose an approach that's a good fit for you. You need to understand your needs, preferences, personality, strengths and weaknesses, etc. and design a plan that will work for you.
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Re: Starting learning Frech from scratch, (once again!)

Postby Le Baron » Wed May 01, 2024 2:18 pm

Life is too short for learning languages we don't really need or feel motivated enough to stick to. Spend the time and energy becoming brilliant at English instead.
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Re: Starting learning Frech from scratch, (once again!)

Postby Kraut » Thu May 02, 2024 11:01 am

You do not really start from zero, there is lot of common ground between Spanish and French. Reading should be no problem, but pronunciation and listening is. I would look for recommendations like "French for Spanish speakers" or "Curso de frances para hispanohablantes" iike here


hmmm para leer no se ocurre nada, pero si ella entiende el idioma, por ahí comentaban el método en audiolibros de Michel Thomas. Es en inglés, pero aprovecha la similitud entre la pronunciación de ambos idiomas

http://www.reddit.com/r/IWantToLearn/co ... tl_french/


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Uno de los mejores libros que he comprado para aprender francés. Excelente formato que lo guía a uno a través de todas las formas gramaticales y mucho mejor cuando se hace con el app de pronunciación.


https://www.frances-online.de/

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Re: Starting learning Frech from scratch, (once again!)

Postby javier_getafe » Thu May 02, 2024 11:29 am

kundalini wrote:I don't know what the best way for you to start would be, but I can suggest a couple of resources that, given your post, you might enjoy -- all of them involve bilingual texts in some form. Apologies if you're already familiar with them!

http://es.bilinguis.com/
https://www.lonweb.org/
https://www.languagereactor.com/
https://forum.language-learners.org/vie ... 60#p136892


Thanks kundalini, all of these sites are really good choices. However, I'd say that you need to have certain previous knowledge of the laguage if you don't want to die in the try.
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