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What are the best resources for German pronunciation

Postby Sarafina » Fri Jun 09, 2023 10:58 am

I really want to take my time to mastering German pronunciation. I learnt the hard way how difficult and painful it is to correct faulty pronunciation habits with French.

I am struggling to find a lot of resources geared towards German pronunciation. Pimsleur is helpful. There is Fluent Forever English->German Pronunciation Trainer. I know that Speechling has a section where I can submit recordings of me speaking German and getting it recorded.

I would appreciate any recommendations on resources that specialise in German pronunciation.
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Re: What are the best resources for German pronunciation

Postby tastyonions » Fri Jun 09, 2023 12:11 pm

This guy has a lot of good videos:

https://www.youtube.com/@DeutschMitBenjamin/videos

He really dives into it, sometimes analyzing an excerpt from a film or show and writing out sentences from the dialogue, explaining how different bits are reduced or pronounced differently depending on the background of the speaker.
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Re: What are the best resources for German pronunciation

Postby Kraut » Fri Jun 09, 2023 1:05 pm

David Allen Martin does a general contrastive analysis English-German with Nicos Weg here (only ten lessons). I think he studied comparative phonetics but I don't know of any complete phonetics course he offers. His German accent is flawless.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x9Q0YtEYK1g
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But the top man is Benjamin, Tastyonion's recommendation.
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Re: What are the best resources for German pronunciation

Postby leosmith » Sat Jun 10, 2023 3:21 am

From the last time you asked this:
leosmith wrote:1. Regarding pronunciation, if you can wait 2 days I’ll have finished my German pronunciation tool, which will be free to use online. It will be similar to the one I did for Portuguese. You should still watch some YouTube videos and read some more thorough explanations for background, like these:
https://youtu.be/nI77g2VWysE
https://youtu.be/BoFEG5h7d-o
https://youtu.be/oMShkWpe9jM
https://mydailygerman.com/german-pronunciation/
https://www.rocketlanguages.com/german/pronunciation
But after that, you can just use the tool for a few minutes per day, following the instructions, and it should be a really clean way to map the sounds to the alphabet in your brain.

If you click the "Portuguese" link and scroll down, you'll find the tool I made for German. Also, this may be the best "pure" pronunciation tool I've found, but it is accessed via IPA, which I prefer to avoid.
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Re: What are the best resources for German pronunciation

Postby Doitsujin » Sat Jun 10, 2023 11:07 am

leosmith wrote:If you click the "Portuguese" link and scroll down, you'll find the tool I made for German [...]
You might want to update the pronunciation of all German words ending in "ig." For example, compare your version of König with Pons and Langenscheidt.

References:
Zweifelsfälle bei der Aussprache
Wie wird die Endung -ig korrekt ausgesprochen?
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Re: What are the best resources for German pronunciation

Postby leosmith » Sat Jun 10, 2023 5:27 pm

Doitsujin wrote:You might want to update the pronunciation of all German words ending in "ig."
I know you are a native speaker, but this guy recommends it the way I have it for beginners, and the voice actor pronounced it that way without any prompting from me.

I have a question for you regarding the final e - she pronounces it differently depending on the word, at least to my ears. Are there any rules about this, or is it just regional/personal preference?
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Re: What are the best resources for German pronunciation

Postby Doitsujin » Sat Jun 10, 2023 6:10 pm

leosmith wrote:I know you are a native speaker, but this guy recommends it the way I have it for beginners.
Most likely he recommended the /ɪk/ pronunciation instead of the standard /ɪç/ pronunciation, because many learners have problems mastering /ç/ and /x/. IMHO, that's not a good idea. He should have at least mentioned that /ɪç/ is the standard pronunciation.

leosmith wrote:the voice actor pronounced it that way without any prompting from me.
Hopefully, you didn't pay her too much, because she's definitely not a trained voice actor. (Her pronunciation is acceptable, though.)
She might have pronounced "ig" as /ɪk/ either because she's from Southern Germany or Austria or she might have erroneously assumed that the /ɪç/ pronunciation is only acceptable in colloquial German and hyper-corrected it to /ɪk/. For more information on this, see the GfdS article that I've linked to.

leosmith wrote:I have a question for you regarding the final e - she pronounces it differently depending on the word, at least to my ears. Are there any rules about this, or is it just regional/personal preference?
Maybe you have better ears than me because of your familiarity with tonal languages, but I could only hear slightly different flavors of /ə/.
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Re: What are the best resources for German pronunciation

Postby leosmith » Sat Jun 10, 2023 8:39 pm

Doitsujin wrote:I could only hear slightly different flavors of /ə/.
If you toggle back and forth between Straße and Frage you will probably hear the difference I'm talking about. If either variation of those "different flavors of /ə/" is ok to use in any such case, I won't worry about it.
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Re: What are the best resources for German pronunciation

Postby Kamlari » Tue Jun 20, 2023 4:30 pm

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