Afrikaans, Dutch, or neither?

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28%
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31%
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34%
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7%
 
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Re: Afrikaans, Dutch, or neither?

Postby PeterMollenburg » Fri Jun 04, 2021 1:52 am

Dutch has more resources. Work hard on Dutch with the good and extensive resources and then when you make the leap to Afrikaans, the scant resources won't be an issue at all. It will also provide a good insight into the Afrikaans language that perhaps even some locals don't possess. A course book or two at most and (in theory) and you'll transition from B2+ Dutch to Afrikaans quite smoothly, especially with German knowledge. Plus, with Dutch at hand, you'll get the bonus of knowing another language which you indicate might likely be useful in Europe due to frequent travel to countries nearby. Dutch!
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Re: Afrikaans, Dutch, or neither?

Postby Saim » Fri Jun 04, 2021 4:59 am

I'd say Afrikaans or neither. Afrikaans is very close to English (and you also speak German!), you don't need that many beginner resources to get your foot in the door and start engaging seriously with authentic materials. And even then I wouldn't say it has "scant resources". You don't seem particularly interested in Dutch so I don't see what the point would be.
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Re: Afrikaans, Dutch, or neither?

Postby Le Baron » Fri Jun 04, 2021 3:16 pm

Saim wrote:Afrikaans is very close to English.


In what sense do you mean this? The vast majority of its vocabulary is derived directly from Dutch and its grammar resembles Dutch, most of it identically, though not every last element. Some vocab is from Bantu languages, some from English though that's not unusual.

Linguistically Frisian is much closer to English than Dutch is. Yet a Dutch person would instinctively recognise more in the content and structure of Frisian than an English person would at any first glance and even further glances. I say this because even with a more closely-related language there is more similarity for recognition purposes between Dutch-Frisian.

Afrikaans is a daughter language of Dutch specifically and very likely arising from a preponderance of eastern and southern dialects (including the top of modern Belgium).
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Re: Afrikaans, Dutch, or neither?

Postby Saim » Fri Jun 04, 2021 8:28 pm

Le Baron wrote:
Saim wrote:Afrikaans is very close to English.


In what sense do you mean this?


In terms of the world’s languages, or even the languages of Europe, almost any language will be more different from English than Afrikaans is.

You’re right that it’s not particularly closer to English than Dutch is, although they do share some innovative traits that Dutch does not have (fewer conjugations, no gender).
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Re: Afrikaans, Dutch, or neither?

Postby Deinonysus » Fri Jun 04, 2021 11:05 pm

Thanks for the feedback everyone!

I think that I've decided that I want to learn some very basic Afrikaans now (maybe just Afrikaans pod 101 and Teach Yourself Afrikaans), hopefully just enough to wrap my head around the language and maybe start stumbling my way through reading it.

Some time in the future I'll study Dutch full time, and I'll hopefully be able to reapply the knowledge I gain from it back into Afrikaans. But this likely won't come for several years and will be after I reach a higher level of German.
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Re: Afrikaans, Dutch, or neither?

Postby Le Baron » Fri Jun 04, 2021 11:11 pm

But you did specifically say 'Afrikaans is very close to English'. So if it's relative in the sense of all languages in relation to English, I don't see the actual meaning of the claim.

It's probably not worth pursuing the discussion. It's the weekend.
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Re: Afrikaans, Dutch, or neither?

Postby Saim » Sat Jun 05, 2021 12:16 am

Le Baron wrote:But you did specifically say 'Afrikaans is very close to English'. So if it's relative in the sense of all languages in relation to English, I don't see the actual meaning of the claim.


My broader point was this one:

...you don't need that many beginner resources to get your foot in the door and start engaging seriously with authentic materials.

This is also mostly true for Dutch, although there you might still need to consult verb tables and make sure the dictionary you're using marks the gender of nouns (not relevant in Afrikaans, so you might as well use GT or glosbe). The only thing to worry about as an English speaker would be understanding V2 (for sentences starting with adverbs and such) and SOV (dependent clauses) word orders, but I expect the OP is familiar with that given their background in German.

Of course, this applies to the reasonably experienced language learner (as the OP is); a beginner might need to stick with a more clearly didactic approach for longer.
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