Spam message removed.

Ask specific questions about your target languages. Beginner questions welcome!
User avatar
Le Baron
Green Belt
Posts: 374
Joined: Mon Jan 18, 2021 5:14 pm
Location: The scullery
Languages: English (N), Nederlands, Français, Deutsch, Esperanto (a very worthy language). Studying: Castellano, Swahili, rather slowly, but surely. Also Sranantongo in the past with my wife, but it has lapsed. Dabbled in: Cantonese, Russian, Norwegian. Finished the Hawaiian course on Duolingo, but can barely remember a thing!
x 715

Re: Tips for language learners

Postby Le Baron » Thu Apr 29, 2021 8:34 pm

MollyJanet wrote:If you find a word difficult to memorize, use it as a password to your mobile, email, etc...


Isn't that the best way to forget your password?
10 x

Online
Cavesa
Black Belt - 4th Dan
Posts: 4131
Joined: Mon Jul 20, 2015 9:46 am
Languages: Czech (N), English (C1), French (C2), Spanish (intermediate), German (somewhere on the path), Italian (passive advanced, active basic)
x 12901

Re: Tips for language learners

Postby Cavesa » Thu Apr 29, 2021 10:09 pm

No offense meant, but while I totally respect this as your personal choices, I don't think such advice should be too widely spread, it will not lead most learners to much success. And it is rather bold to just give people advice in your first post, without presenting yourself and your previous successes this advice is based on.

Duolingo and Memrise are known to be good supplemental exercise (especially the user made courses on Memrise), but not too good as the main resource. Just googling random grammar points isn't that great for overall progress either (I can definitely see the point of such an approach done by some experienced learners, who know perfectly well what to not forget to look up, but not majority of learners).

MollyJanet wrote:
The important things for every single laguage learner are:

Set your languages to the tongue you are currently learning (reddit, mobile, facebook, youtube, email...)

If you find a word difficult to memorize, use it as a password to your mobile, email, etc...


No. Such things can surely be a tiny part of a routine of some learners, but they are extremely far from necessary, let alone for "every single learner".

I like having posters at home with grammar I struggle to learn (irregular verbs...) - just get an A3 paper and write whatever you like on it (the more colorful and inventive it is, the easier to learn)


This one is good, I'd add that you should put it on places, where you look a lot. A place on the wall or door to the bathroom (sitting eye level) is ideal :-D (not kidding, the most successful Latin learner I know had smaller or bigger overviews of grammar and vocab everywhere. On the kitchen cupboards, on the bathroom door, various exposed places in her room)

The rest is not too bad, it is just nothing too new, and nothing that will really save you without some serious work.

Please try to learn every day, even if it was just for 10 minutes.


There is a new and interesting Study Time Calculator, which nicely illustrates that those 10 minutes a day won't lead too far, unless they are just 10 minutes on the off days, with hours on other days regularly.

Why do you use "please"? Most people around here are already learning or have learnt some languages, we haven't waited for someone to beg :-)
5 x

Online
Cavesa
Black Belt - 4th Dan
Posts: 4131
Joined: Mon Jul 20, 2015 9:46 am
Languages: Czech (N), English (C1), French (C2), Spanish (intermediate), German (somewhere on the path), Italian (passive advanced, active basic)
x 12901

Re: Tips for language learners

Postby Cavesa » Thu Apr 29, 2021 10:10 pm

Le Baron wrote:
MollyJanet wrote:If you find a word difficult to memorize, use it as a password to your mobile, email, etc...


Isn't that the best way to forget your password?


Nah, it's the second best. The best way is to leave a foreign keyboard switched on and forget about that. :-D
8 x

lusan
Green Belt
Posts: 326
Joined: Sat Aug 15, 2015 1:25 pm
Location: Greensboro, NC, USA
Languages: Spanish(Native)
English (Naïve)
Polish(In Alcatraz)
French(fun level)
Italian(Beginner)
x 569

Re: Tips for language learners

Postby lusan » Thu Apr 29, 2021 11:59 pm

Le Baron wrote:
MollyJanet wrote:If you find a word difficult to memorize, use it as a password to your mobile, email, etc...


Isn't that the best way to forget your password?


Nice, however I have so mannny.... that my passwords will not be enough....!
3 x

Online
Cavesa
Black Belt - 4th Dan
Posts: 4131
Joined: Mon Jul 20, 2015 9:46 am
Languages: Czech (N), English (C1), French (C2), Spanish (intermediate), German (somewhere on the path), Italian (passive advanced, active basic)
x 12901

Re: Tips for language learners

Postby Cavesa » Fri Apr 30, 2021 12:05 am

lusan wrote:
Le Baron wrote:
MollyJanet wrote:If you find a word difficult to memorize, use it as a password to your mobile, email, etc...


Isn't that the best way to forget your password?


Nice, however I have so mannny.... that my passwords will not be enough....!


That's what the mandatory frequent password changes are for.
2 x

User avatar
rdearman
Site Admin
Posts: 5679
Joined: Thu May 14, 2015 4:18 pm
Location: United Kingdom
Languages: English (N)
Language Log: viewtopic.php?f=15&t=1836
x 15135
Contact:

Re: Tips for language learners

Postby rdearman » Fri Apr 30, 2021 8:00 am

I got rid of mandatory password changes when I used to be an IT administrator because it is just a bad idea. Here are some password examples for a company with a mandatory password change monthly.

January1#
February1#

Note the capital, number, and special character. Means all the rules, secure as a wet paper bag.
6 x
: 3 / 21 21 French Paperbacks Read:

The Autodidactic Podcast
The Lollygagging Podcast

I often post on this forum using mobile devices, so please excuse short messages and typos.

garyb
Brown Belt
Posts: 1278
Joined: Mon Jul 20, 2015 12:35 pm
Location: Scotland
Languages: Native: English
Advanced: Italian, French
Intermediate: Spanish
Beginner: Greek, German
Language Log: viewtopic.php?f=15&t=1855
x 4069
Contact:

Re: Tips for language learners

Postby garyb » Fri Apr 30, 2021 9:13 am

This is clearly a spam post, why are people posting serious replies?
3 x

User avatar
kanewai
Blue Belt
Posts: 625
Joined: Fri May 22, 2015 9:10 pm
Location: Honolulu
Languages: Native: English
Active: Greek
Maintenance: Italian, Spanish, French
Priors: Pááfang (Micronesian), Indonesian, Latin, Epic Greek, Turkish, Arabic
x 2441
Contact:

Re: Tips for language learners

Postby kanewai » Fri Apr 30, 2021 10:32 am

garyb wrote:This is clearly a spam post, why are people posting serious replies?

But it’s such an odd spam post. There’s no links to anything, no obvious Internet personality or product behind it - it’s just spam, falling out of the ether.

Though the signature line looks like one of those internet-thingy codes.
0 x
fr: Margeurite Duras, Un barrage contre le Pacifique: 100 / 100
it: Indro Montanelli, Storia dei Greci: 160 / 341
es: RNE, El Quijote del siglo XXI: 5 / 10
el: Assimil, Le grec: 75 / 100

User avatar
Deinonysus
Blue Belt
Posts: 935
Joined: Tue Sep 13, 2016 6:06 pm
Location: Salem, MA, USA
Languages:  
• Native: English
• Advanced: French
• Intermediate: German,
   Spanish
• Beginner: Icelandic,
   Italian, Indonesian,
   Hebrew
x 3068

Re: Tips for language learners

Postby Deinonysus » Fri Apr 30, 2021 11:05 am

Hi MollyJanet, welcome to the forum! I think that is good advice for beginners. Unfortunately most of the regulars here are not beginners, hence your rather icy reception. But I'm sure many lurkers who may be new to the forum will find it helpful.

To those who might call this spam or suspect some ulterior motive, I don't think so. I see posts like this all the time on r/languagelearning and they are often get heavily upvoted. Here, unlike Reddit, a user's post-count is highly visible and it's a small community so you see familiar names over and over, which encourages a culture of heavy skepticism against "uppity" new users. But I don't think that's necessary here. The suggestions are basic but I don't think they'll do any harm to anyone, and they might help motivate new language learners that are passing through.
1 x
Corrections welcomed!

: 3 / 77 Pharr - Homeric Greek
: 5 / 60 Pimsleur Modern Greek

User avatar
rdearman
Site Admin
Posts: 5679
Joined: Thu May 14, 2015 4:18 pm
Location: United Kingdom
Languages: English (N)
Language Log: viewtopic.php?f=15&t=1836
x 15135
Contact:

Re: Tips for language learners

Postby rdearman » Fri Apr 30, 2021 12:38 pm

OK, I couldn't work out how to put this message at the top of the thread, (Think it is time constrained)

Anyway. MollyJanet was a SPAMMER SCUMBAG who put their spams in their signature block and posted some stupid trivial post in order for the links to get processed by the Google bot which rates our forum near the top of the results. So I deleted the spammer scumbags account, then spent a couple of hours pouring over the documentation to get rid of that little signature link exploit.

So screw you MollyJanet, spammer scum, that trick will not work here any more! I have removed that loophole now too. :)

Deinonysus wrote:To those who might call this spam or suspect some ulterior motive, I don't think so. I see posts like this all the time on r/languagelearning and they are often get heavily upvoted. Here, unlike Reddit, a user's post-count is highly visible and it's a small community so you see familiar names over and over, which encourages a culture of heavy skepticism against "uppity" new users. But I don't think that's necessary here. The suggestions are basic but I don't think they'll do any harm to anyone, and they might help motivate new language learners that are passing through.

Yes, I agree we need to answer the questions of legitimate beginners. I would have actually kept the post by the spammer since there wasn't actually anything harmful in the post itself, but when I deleted the account all the messages (and signature) went with it.

Also thank you to all the members who reported the spam links in the signature block. If you see spam in posts please report it so that I can try to keep on top of the exploits and remove them as quickly as possible.
11 x
: 3 / 21 21 French Paperbacks Read:

The Autodidactic Podcast
The Lollygagging Podcast

I often post on this forum using mobile devices, so please excuse short messages and typos.


Return to “Practical Questions and Advice”

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 1 guest