How not to groan inwardly at the sight of a conjugation table?

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Re: How not to groan inwardly at the sight of a conjugation table?

Postby Cavesa » Tue May 19, 2020 12:34 pm

The tables are not your enemy. They are a tool to be used in various ways, the key is learning the content.

I recommend having a look at the patterns, repeating them a few times. I like Iversen's overviews or any other way to stick to the table for while will help too. But that is just the beginning.

What I like the best is drilling the forms with srs in this format:
Q: io ESSERE presente
A: sono

No translation to confuse you, just drilling the forms, one bit of information at a time. That removes a huge roadblock efficiently. The SRS will let you move on from the stuff you find easy very fast (usually the things people internalise very fast just from observing the pattern), and spend time on things that won't stick for any reason (which is not necessarily limited to the irregular verbs. Everybody has some "stupid mistakes" that resist unlearning usually :-)

It won't help much with how they are used (neither will the tables, that is not their purpose), that's what tons of input, explanations, ad exercises are for. But it can really help with mastering the forms faster and lets you use the correct forms automatically. Many people stuck at a certain not too high level struggle exactly with this (including myself for now, as I haven't had the time to drill Italian this way yet) and think they just need to speak more. Nope, that might just fossilise the confusion, while the drills remove it and let you focus on other stuff :-)
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Re: How not to groan inwardly at the sight of a conjugation table?

Postby smallwhite » Tue May 19, 2020 4:08 pm

teapot wrote:
Should I even bother trying, and hope that, when I begin reading and writing much more, that the various forms will just settle into my mind over time?


Easy.

How long does it take me to be able to fill out the following table
--- if I recite conjugation tables?
--- if I don't recite conjugation tables?
vs
When do I want to be able to fill out the following table?



1. amare
2. dormire
3. finire
4. essere
5. avere

presente
io _____
tu _____
Lei _____
noi _____
voi _____
Loro _____
imperfetto
io _____
tu _____
Lei _____
noi _____
voi _____
Loro _____
futuro semplice
io _____
tu _____
Lei _____
noi _____
voi _____
Loro _____
condizionale presente
io _____
tu _____
Lei _____
noi _____
voi _____
Loro _____
congiuntivo presente
io _____
tu _____
Lei _____
noi _____
voi _____
Loro _____
congiuntivo imperfetto
io _____
tu _____
Lei _____
noi _____
voi _____
Loro _____
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Re: How not to groan inwardly at the sight of a conjugation table?

Postby tarvos » Tue May 19, 2020 4:34 pm

What people always forget is the when, not the how...
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“And when he shall die
Take him and cut him out in little stars
And he will make the face of heaven so fine
That all the world
Will be in love with the night
And pay no worship to the garish sun

Preferred pronouns: feminine.

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Re: How not to groan inwardly at the sight of a conjugation table?

Postby tastyonions » Tue May 19, 2020 4:50 pm

smallwhite wrote:
teapot wrote:
Should I even bother trying, and hope that, when I begin reading and writing much more, that the various forms will just settle into my mind over time?


Easy.

How long does it take me to be able to fill out the following table
--- if I recite conjugation tables?
--- if I don't recite conjugation tables?
vs
When do I want to be able to fill out the following table?

<snip>

I have spent zero time reciting conjugation tables or explicitly practicing conjugations and would have no problem filling out the table. I don't think I have some special talent. It just comes naturally from time spent using the language.
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Re: How not to groan inwardly at the sight of a conjugation table?

Postby tarvos » Tue May 19, 2020 4:57 pm

I've done it for French, but never really for Spanish or Italian...
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“And when he shall die
Take him and cut him out in little stars
And he will make the face of heaven so fine
That all the world
Will be in love with the night
And pay no worship to the garish sun

Preferred pronouns: feminine.

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Re: How not to groan inwardly at the sight of a conjugation table?

Postby teapot » Tue May 19, 2020 10:04 pm

Thank you everyone for your constructive suggestions. Very helpful indeed.
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Re: How not to groan inwardly at the sight of a conjugation table?

Postby garyb » Wed May 20, 2020 9:39 am

They're a reference, not something to learn by themselves.
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