will this affect my speaking of arabic too much?

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will this affect my speaking of arabic too much?

Postby jimmy » Tue Jun 30, 2020 11:54 am

assume please I can't differentiate the declension (harrakas only) at the last letter of each word.
will I have any problem in speaking arabic?
or will the speaking context be strange?
like these

لا بَعِيدًا عَنْ أُسْرَتِهِ سَعِيدٌ this is original version. I am asking whether it would be too strange if I use something like this instead
لا بَعِيدًا عَنْ أُسْرَتِهُ سَعِيدً
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Re: will this affect my speaking of arabic too much?

Postby Saim » Tue Jun 30, 2020 12:44 pm

Case endings don’t exist in any of the vernacular Arabic languages and as such are dropped even in spoken
MSA by many (most?) speakers. For that reason I’d recommend avoiding case endings over using the wrong ones.
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Re: will this affect my speaking of arabic too much?

Postby 白田龍 » Tue Jun 30, 2020 5:23 pm

Educated formal speech doesn't use case endings anymore, they will speak a standard that is close to the the written language, but will not use case endings and will pronounce some sounds according to their dialect.
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Re: will this affect my speaking of arabic too much?

Postby jimmy » Tue Jun 30, 2020 6:57 pm

both are you implying that the last harraka would not be pronounced in speaking arabic?
if yes, to be honest,I shall be very happy.
but won't it be a bit strange if we do this on every words?
and yes,I learn MSA.
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Re: will this affect my speaking of arabic too much?

Postby Saim » Wed Jul 01, 2020 9:04 am

jimmy wrote:both are you implying that the last harraka would not be pronounced in speaking arabic?


Yes.

but won't it be a bit strange if we do this on every words?


No, why would it be?
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Re: will this affect my speaking of arabic too much?

Postby jimmy » Wed Jul 01, 2020 9:10 am

jimmy wrote:but won't it be a bit strange if we do this on every words?
and yes,I learn MSA.
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for instance how will we differenatiate whether the exposed one was a boy or a girl,as you know arabic is full of with such sighs( e.g. which one will be preferred: بها , به but not consistent with this sample.
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Re: will this affect my speaking of arabic too much?

Postby Saim » Wed Jul 01, 2020 9:33 am

I’m not aware of any cases where a final short vowel marks gender in Arabic nouns, maybe I’m missing something. But yes, gender is still marked in Arabic even when the case endings are dropped.
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Re: will this affect my speaking of arabic too much?

Postby jimmy » Wed Jul 01, 2020 11:25 am

Saim wrote:I’m not aware of any cases where a final short vowel marks gender in Arabic nouns, maybe I’m missing something. But yes, gender is still marked in Arabic even when the case endings are dropped.

if we prefer بها then it will be understood that the exposed one was dealing with a "girl" or more correctly it would be "feminine"
but if we prefer to use به then this would mean that the exposed one was dealing with a "boy" or more correctly "masculine"
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Re: will this affect my speaking of arabic too much?

Postby jimmy » Wed Jul 01, 2020 2:10 pm

and without the relevant declension this sentence might be understood strangely


ضرب هْم الأُسْتاذُ
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Re: will this affect my speaking of arabic too much?

Postby Saim » Wed Jul 01, 2020 2:16 pm

Personal endings are retained, it’s just the case endings that are dropped.
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