StringerBell wrote:PM, I just wanted to make a suggestion since I've been going through a similar should I, shouldn't I? with regards to SRSing the new voabularly I come across while reading.
What I've been doing lately with the really useful vocabulary/expressions I've collected is to start trying to actively use them myself. When I'm able to do it, I'm finding it much more effective than Anki in terms of me being able to then use those words later on. What I'm seeing so far is that it takes more time up front, so it feels like I'm making less progress because I can't cover as many words as I could in a quick Anki review, but the words I do focus on I really remember, so it seems to be more effective. When I was using Anki, I was always thinking "I know I made an Anki card for this" but then most of the time couldn't summon that word during a conversation.
I'm still in the initial phases, but basically this is what I'm doing:
For Polish: I collected a list of useful expressions, sentences, or new vocabulary and I'm doing scriptorium with them. I'm writing out each one 5x while saying it out loud, then saying it out loud a few times at normal speed, and then I do scriptorium with these same ones multiple times over the next week. Many of these are now firmly rooted in my head, and I feel like I have easy access to them when I want to speak or write.
For Italian: I'm now rereading a novel I just finished and making a list of new vocabulary and expressions and writing out every sentence that contains a subjunctive. Instead of putting the vocab into Anki, I'm copying down example sentences from Reverso Context with each new word, then I'm creating my own sentences (either written or spoken) using those new words and having a native speaker (husband) verify that I'm not saying nonsense. The act of using the words actively - and more than once - is really making me feel like they're mine.
If you like Anki, then I don't want to try to dissuade you from using it, but if you're not particularly looking forward to it, there are some other options. I'm sure there's even better ideas out there than what I have to offer, but so far I'm really enjoying it much more than flashcard reviews.
Your suggestions are good, thank you. And it’s led me to consider a couple of things, the first more along the lines of my own thinking but also around SRS, the second based on your suggestions.
In my four hour-long blocks of study, only one of them doesn’t have the 15 minutes of initial SRS before going onto the 45 minutes of whatever that hour of study entails. That one hour is the extensive reading hour. I had considered adding 15 min SRS to that hour as well, thereby reducing the actual extensive reading time to 45 minutes. However, I felt that that’s moving in the wrong direction for someone who has perfectionist tendencies and really needs to be immersed much more than I have been when studying up to this point.
Thus, I decided if I study 15 min of SRS in the hour, it means I have to add words to my SRS deck in that 45 minutes of study that follows. Conversely, if I don’t do 15 minutes initially of SRS study, then I can do the full hour of that hour’s activity without adding new cards/words/expressions to SRS. Thus, last night I only read for an hour, without SRS and thus did not add any new cards, since the objective is really to cover as much ground as I can.
In my intensive reading/vocabulary hour last night I also skipped the SRS and just went thoroughly over the word lists then read the articles and went over word lists. Again by not adding new words to SRS, I was ‘permitted’ to do a full hour of intensive reading/vocab (minus any SRS study).
I think I will keep adding some cards to SRS in my intensive listening (watching Buffy) hour, thus 15min SRS study, 45 min of intensive listening (and adding cards). In time, I hope to eliminate 15 min of SRS in this hour as well, thus the hour will become extensive listening, with perhaps the occasional reference to a transcript and/or dictionary.
In short. If I don’t add cards to SRS during that study hour, there’s not need to do SRS in that hour. This way I can justify more extensive study and justify pushing forward, while avoiding being too bogged down in detail.
On your suggestions of using the language, I think I’m building a mental picture of how my hour of writing will look. Iguanamon suggested summarising episodes that I watch, and with your idea I could even refer back to the word lists in my magazines (intensive reading) and my flashcards as well and attempt to use the words in my writings. Thanks for the excellent idea StringerBell! I aim to add my writing hour within a month of having started this new study routine.
Right now I’m rather doubtful of reaching C2 by November, but hey if I don’t try I certainly won’t get there, so I’ll keep pushing forward.
Yesterday was an improvement on the day before. Yesterday I upped the ‘desk study hours’ to 3, which is my target, while I managed to squeeze in 45 minutes of podcasts commuting to and from work and 15 minutes of reading to the kids, thus 4 hours in total. And I’m doing this in the evenings, a time I’ve struggled majorly in the past to sit down and study, this time, i’m just doing it!