Expug's 2019 Log - Reasonable Learning

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Re: Expug's 2019 Log - Reasonable Learning

Postby Expugnator » Thu Oct 24, 2019 10:06 pm

Yesterday I did a little bit of everything except for Duolingo. I did some more Clozemaster in the evening, but far from my usuall efforts. I took the time to get some more material for the series I'm watching in French, Georgian and Norwegian, even though I'm probably not going to study proper next week. I didn't bother with reading ahead, neither yesterday evening nor this morning. Instead I slept a bit more, did a bit of Clozemaster and spent the rest of the time with the kids.

I'm really getting the hang of the Spanish podcasts, and I'm looking forward to doing another one once I get catch up with this one.Exposure matters, even if the language is supposedly transparent. Now I understand much faster what is being said, so my listening processing skills have improved. I bet even for your native language it takes some training till you can listen to podcasts and actually absorb their content, knowing when to focus for essential information and when you can zone out a bit.

These busy days I haven't bothered playing podcasts on the background while working at the desktop like I tend to do. Too much going on in my head, anyway. Today, though, I decided to resume. It's slightly less crowded than yesterday and I believe having the podcast play in the background helps me focus on the activity itself, prevents me from browsing away and reminds me to finish soon and resume studying.

I've noticed some improvement in my Chinese comprehension after the 4th episode at this series. So far it seemed a bit too complicated. Now I can follow it more easily.

Probably the best listening-reading day for Russian. The novel has long paragraphs but it's managing to catch up my interest. I'm starting to feel the flow in listening, and fewer words remain unknown. Russian might be finally following the path of Norwegian, German and Mandarin. Greek is coming close.

Yet another busy day where I couldn't make it to the end of the schedule. Well, today at least I went a bit further than on Tuesday, and managed both Estonian parallel reading and Greek listening-reading. It's been over a week since I last studied Hebrew and Indonesian proper.
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Postby Expugnator » Fri Oct 25, 2019 8:08 pm

Yesterday I got home a bit earlier and I had no appointments in the evening. I managed to give a boost to Clozemaster while listening to important videos on translating. I read ahead before falling asleep as well. This morning I did some more Clozemaster as a headstart but also Duolingo. I always do Guarani then Arabic. Since Arabic is the hardest one, as I'm not studying it properly yet, I tend to procrastinate doing it, especially in the evening when I'm more tired. So doing it in the morning increases the odds of my getting down to Hebrew, Indonesian and other languages in the evening.

I've tweaked Clozemaster to allow for more reviews for Norwegian to come up. I'm still struggling at the higher levels and I'm working specifically on them, now that the over-100% sentence-count issue seems to have been sorted out. Next step is to include Norwegian in the mass-review pool, just like the Romance languages. After all, I'm aiming for no lower than a C level in the language and I need this writing/spelling automaticity that mass reviews on Clozemaster help acquire.

The Estonian soap opera has had a turning point and I'm actually interested in the daily story, not only in the characters' lives in the long run. Moreover, I can follow most of the short lines and that leaves me more energy to try and understand the longer ones (the series is pretty dense). It's a combination of high interest and good outcome that I should take advantage of, because it's not that often that I'm at the peak of interest in a resource while also being at the peak of learnability i.e. having the resource fit pretty much into an n+1 set. With native materials I have to spend a lot of time relying mostly on translation before I can focus mostly on L1 and use translation merely to check.

Since I'm watching episodes from three series in a crossover, and I tend to alternate English and German, I'll have then to alternate languages as well: I'm going to watch 10 minutes in German, then 20 in Georgian as usual, then German back again. The only issue is that one of the series hasn't got German dubbing.

Ok, I thought Greek was following Russian from afar but it's rather close. I understand more and more from the book I'm listening-reading.

It's good to get back into studying Hebrew and Indonesian proper, even if just for one day and not knowing when I'm going to resume routine, and even though I still cringe at the memories of OCR-ing and machine-translating pages from DLI Indonesian one by one (almost done, less than a dozen lessons left).

So eventually I reached a day of full study. Both Hebrew original and Indonesian- subtitled videos were productive. Looking forward to the next study day, maybe the other week.
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Postby Expugnator » Tue Oct 29, 2019 12:47 am

Part two accomplished successfully, no more stones, though recovery now will take longer and I might get back to work at November 7th if not later.

Meanwhile I have to think of some strategies for not getting mad with boredom. I'll have to check with the doctor how many days I should stay in bed and when I get back at using the computer.

The first time I could only stand longer periods at the computer on the 6th day, and now it's supposed to be more complex so...

What made me too overly anxious was staying only at the phone in detriment of reading ebooks at the tablet of even paperback. So I have to think of a pastime strategy. I get distracted with reading for long but even 20+mom sessions alternated with app-learning is better than just the phone screen.

I have no restrictions in terms of content so even parallel reading is possible, either with two tablets or tablet + phone. Only watching my series with double subtitles isn't, because it involves the desktop.

At this stage the mind counts as much as the body. I need to find enough distractions so that I can stand being away from the desktop for so long.
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Postby Expugnator » Thu Nov 07, 2019 9:52 pm

So here I am. It's great to have some routine again. You know, I'm a routine fan anyway, but...you get what I mean.

Health
The kidney issue is getting better, still healing I believe, but I can get back to the gym on Monday, the doctor says. The first days after the surgery I couldn't stand sitting for long sessions because the kidney would hurt, so I had to lay down most of the day and I couldn't use the computer. Since it was Monday, it felt like time stopped and the week would never end. I ended up wacthing some series. For example, I watched the CW cross-over on Netflix instead of spreading it through German-Georgian-Indosubs. It was good because I didn't have to shift from one language to another within the same episode.

I also watched Plan Coeur saison 2. Entirely. Six episodes. It was the closest I could get to binge watching.

I thought "oh well at least I'm home with my kids, I'm eating well. Then on Thursday the aphthae issue started. It was a side-effect of too many preventive antibiotics plus I ate a garlic-based dressing for too many days and that was too acid. It's been a week now and before I resorted to an analgesic I experienced pain for the entire day. Much worse than the recovery from the second surgery and only compared to the first one but even that one lasted for some minutes. The aphtha in the throat doesn't seem to receed even though I feel better thanks to the medicine.

That idle time was therefore taken away mostly by app-learning:

Clozemaster
Regained the main role, leaving Duolingo a distant second now. I have a new stalker. I swear I have to let go off that leaderboard next week. For the time being, though, I'm doing as much Italian as Esperanto as my gaming sessions, so that's an advantage. Moreover, Indonesian reviews looks promising.

New TTS for Iceland on Android. Great, same voice as on Chrome.

Having impressive results for Catalan and Afrikaans. I'm actually able to chat in Catalan before doing proper textbook studying. Afrikaans isn't that far. The text input prompts do help with output.

Duolingo
I've embraced Duolingo as a full multilingual suit even though the lessons are longer and not readily accessible as Clozemaster's. I've got my 2nd crown on Guaraní and moving on to the third one, though it's getting tricky. I've added Latin, Greek, Romanian, Esperanto and Chinese all in the past fortnight. I don't know, at Duolingo the sentence seems only as an excuse to teach thematic, individual vocabulary as well as a little syntax, while in Clozemaster most sentences do communicate something and I can imagine myself using them. Still, it's worth that side-job.

Speakly
I've continued with Speakly.me . You have until the end of November to subscribe to a lifetime account on Speakly. It's a bet to place because you'd hope they'd add many languages in the future.

Conversational partners
I've tried Conversationexchange and reactivated Tandem. It's slowly working. I've chatted in Estonian, Greek, Norwegian, Russian, Georgian and I've had a video call in German. The Russian guy actually seems to know vonPeterhof

Other activities
I didn't do any reading but I started some series in German, which is the only readily available language on Netflix among those I still need to train. I also resumed an Italian series I hadn't seen for a long time. For Russian, I gave the podcast Comprehensible Russian a try and it might be what I need now. I might have it replace the French audiobooks on my way home, even.It was mostly about doing some side activities I leave for whenever I have time during a normal day. Unfortunately, the pain, the heat and Clozemaster didn't allow me to actually sit down and start producing my own content. I still hope I'm going to leave that comfort zone.

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I've just read that over 30% of the population of Curaçao is below the poverty line. Not Dutch standards for sure.

No bounce-wave effect noticed, but the interest for the Estonian soap opera and for the language as a whole keep increasing.

Bounce-wave effect noticed on reading Georgian. The exchanges through the chat did help.

Bounce-wave effect for Russian, check. overall, Russian seems to have caught up with Georgian in terms of general reading comprehension.

No significant bounce-effect for Greek, though. The text - a translation from Portuguese - is more complex. Besides, I'm not that familiar with abstract Modern Greek vocabulary that don't rely on Romance-adopted roots, and these are more numberous than one may assume at the early Greek studies. Still, progress is definitely happening.

It was such an atypically busy Thursday that I once again played a little Grand Bien Vous Fasse. It's my main French listening activity now that I seldom have the energy to listen to the audiobook while walking home.

I would be too optimistic to think I'd manage the entire schedule the first day after sick leave, but it was close. Indonesian and the last two series left.
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Postby Expugnator » Fri Nov 08, 2019 8:46 pm

Yesterday when walking home I resumed the audiobook Fourmis. Won't say I paid much attention. The story itself is not really escalating anyway. I was doing Clozemaster reviews on Indonesian as multiple choice. It's a necessary intermediate step because the Indonesian levels aren't exactly graded, but my goal is to do this transition into text input where the magic takes place and activation happens.

At home I kept my Speakly streak, did way more Clozemaster and much less Duolingo. As I turned off the computer and went to bed I still found the energy to read ahead the non-fiction, which left me with more free time today.

This morning I spent mostly with the girls. As they grow up, they manage to watch TV and still interact. It's not like in the beginning when turning on the TV was sadly a certain way that they wouldn't even react to us anymore. Now the TV is more like a pastime and a background. They keep asking about my health, it's really cute.

Not a bounce-wave effect indeed but Greek reading has seen some improvement. I'm confident it will turn into a transparent language in the near future.

Same result as yesterday. No Indonesian or remaining series. I had an appointment at the doctor.
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Postby OCCASVS » Fri Nov 08, 2019 10:14 pm

Hey Expug, I wish you all the best with your recovery.

I have read that you have been looking for new language exchange partners lately. I was always curious to ask you: is there some structure you use in your tandem conversations?

I am asking because I have never been able to establish solid language partners agreements online, but only in person.
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Postby Adrianslont » Sat Nov 09, 2019 12:02 am

I just learned a new word: aptha. Get 100% well soon!

I detect that you find it difficult to binge watch - I definitely do. I can pretty easily binge listen, though - listen while doing chores, walking to beach, sitting at beach, walking home, driving. Maybe my problem is with sitting still.
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Postby Expugnator » Mon Nov 11, 2019 8:57 pm

Adrianslont wrote:I just learned a new word: aptha. Get 100% well soon!

I detect that you find it difficult to binge watch - I definitely do. I can pretty easily binge listen, though - listen while doing chores, walking to beach, sitting at beach, walking home, driving. Maybe my problem is with sitting still.

Yeah I can binge listen as well. I just lose focus too easily, but when I manage to keep it it's fairly productive. It depends on the language though, I had to train it for Spanish even though it was already transparent for reading.

OCCASVS wrote:Hey Expug, I wish you all the best with your recovery.

I have read that you have been looking for new language exchange partners lately. I was always curious to ask you: is there some structure you use in your tandem conversations?

I am asking because I have never been able to establish solid language partners agreements online, but only in person.

Our mod rdearman is the man to go for how to establish solid language exchanges. I don't have the native-English privilege and Brazilian Portuguese is a cheap currency in the language exchange world. Moreover, it's over 10 languages to find language exchange partners for and keep these. Still, I try. Mostly conversationexchange , tandem and Speaky.

Having a long conversation the first time helps. Just open up without going too personal at first, keep topics for the next sessions.

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The weekend was basically a Clozemaster rally. My last one for the time being. I really have to get over this. I'm doing multiple languages so the mass sessions do help, but I fail to see the point in doing the same amount of Clozemaster for just one language, as there are other activities that should be performed when learning a language.

I did little Duolingo. It is a slower interface so it's much less dense in content. This and the sentences being much less meaningful discourage me. I can't do a Duolingo lesson in idle times, how I do the Clozemaster rounds.

I still did listen to Podcast Italiano while preparing my snacks. And I felt asleep just two pages away from my reading ahead plan, not bad at all. What I have been neglecting is material gathering for most languages.

Today I got back to the gym. The doctor said I'm good, so there I went. Weightlifting is no big deal as I know my limits, and I didn't have to reduce weight anyway. The problem is running. I did run a bit but much slower, paying attention to the impact. Tomorrow I have an appointment at the doctor who did my hernia surgery 4 years ago, so I'll discuss with him how limited I might be now, if anything serious happened the time I got injured last September. I know the hernia isn't recidive but I want to be sure of my movements. Enough with health issues for this language log.

As I came back to the gym, no time for a headstart this morning then. Going home with most app-study pending. Regarding the schedule, it was a fairly busy Monday so I just went as far as Estonian reading. Greek listening-reading, Hebrew and Indonesian textbooks and the two remaining series were left. Am I losing the hang of it? Today morning was the issue, last week were the afternoons. Anyway, tomorrow is Tuesday and I have a class in the morning, one in the afternoon, this appointment at the doctor and so I won't even bother studying tomorrow. Will try to solve some pending tasks as the translation course I had enrolled in at Coursera before the surgery.
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Postby Expugnator » Wed Nov 13, 2019 9:20 pm

A lot is going on. Really. All spheres.

Among all my non-study days, yesterday was the one I disconnected the most from my usual language sphere. I did some Clozemaster, read ahead, kept my Duolingo and Speakly streaks but I totally forgot getting down to Clozemaster again and renewing my streak for nearly half of my decks :/ Not being obsessed with the leaderboad has this disadvantage. Anyway, life goes on.

I spent some hours preparing a study plan for my cousin's husband who wants to finally learning English. Then I took the Translation in Practice course from Coursera. It has good information but I won't recommend this course because you're supposed to translate into Mandarin at the exercises. So it's basically a course aimed at Chinese people who speak fluent English and want to learn to translate. No way I'm going to spend time on trying to translate this. I'm better off reading some books on translation I've got lined up or one of the digital marketing/content marketing I need to take as well, since I'm looking forward to providing and promoting my own content in the future.

Still on the issue of which language-related parallel career I should follow, I have a city tour booked tomorrow. The passenger seems no less of a hyperpolyglot. Anyway, this means today and Monday remain as the only study days at this week as Friday is a bank holiday and we're off to the countryside.

It might be just the effect of the end of the year which is approaching or getting back on track after an overall of 12 workdays off, but I'm finding it harder to keep my currenty rhythm of 6+ study hours and over 20 desktop activities into 15 languages. I might cut down to a schedule that is feasible at 5 hours and complement with app learning whenever possible. This might allow me to regularly/daily work on the other projects. I received positive feedback on my lecture at the Brazilian congress Poliglotar so I have to keep preparing myself.

I'm back at the gym since Monday, trying to get back at my usual rhythm - or maybe not, as I figured out previously I had been running too fast and too long and loosing muscle instead. Today I was officially back at running, for longer periods. It's great to feel the liberation of endorphins associated with running, as that shows I have a better control of my body again, I don't feel that sick anymore. It's been a tough period on health. With all time breaks come hopefully a better self-awareness of one's limits and of how to do perform those tasks, both weightlifting and running, in a way that's both more effective and safer. I might be transitioning into a much less hectic lifestyle, not having to worry about to do at each hidden moment, not having only a specific precise time to start the gym/having more flexibility and having more time with family. The girls missed me as yesterday I left home earlier and came after they went to bed (one class before work, another after that). So they were very excited this morning about showing me the Christmas tree and they surrounded me with playing and talking about our plans for Christmas.

I was doing some Clozemaster Mandarin and they approached the phone and wanted to do some swyping. I told them that after pressing some specific characters they would make some pictures appear (the emojis associated at the Chinese keyboard). So they pressed yu and got a fish, mao for a cat, gou for a dog, shu for a book and a tree and it was fun. No problem if I had no headstart this morning.

When walking here I finished the content marketing podcast and resumed the Argentinian one, all this while deciding what to do next. There was one in Finances but it might discuss specificaly the banking reality of its country, so not much use for me apart from general strategy and even this is linked to the country's economical specifics. Healthy is not a bad idea either but maybe some mindfulness in Spanish would help me as well as provide my subconscious form a less hectic-machine-gun-speed-loud-talking image of the Spanish language.

Having been doing less for my languages, I'm starting to suspect that less can be more. as I reach or consolidate the B-range for most of them, it's important that when doing native materials I am at the best state of mind, relaxed, not time-stressed so I manage to immerse on that language. I understand much better, especially audiovisual, when I'm not worried about time. This and the micro-learning done at the apps might turn into a sustainable strategy per se. I don't have to worry that for this language I'm only doing video not listening-reading and for that one I'm not reading at all. With the repetition I get from the apps - and even the output - I can be sure that all languages are progressing. An example: with Russian and Estonian I only read 3 A4 pages a day (RU) or only 1 (EE), and as a matter of fact, even though my Georgian at 6 pages a day is more advanced, I noticed diminishing returns after the 4th page. Also with German and Norwegian I cut down from 10 to 6 pages and I can barely keep focus at these 6, leave alone the former 10.

If this microlearning proves useful, I'm well-off to do some language harvestin in 2020 with Swedish, Catalan, Romanian and Afrikaans.

It was a busy day again. I finally moved on with Indonesian, now only three lessons to finish DLI my loose way. No time for the remaining two series, though.
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