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Postby Morgana » Tue Dec 04, 2018 6:00 am

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Re: Just keep moving.

Postby SGP » Tue Dec 04, 2018 8:33 am

Morgana wrote:We picked a group language (German), and then each of us separately picked one language that the other two would learn. I gave them Romanian. One of them gave me Japanese, the other Korean. I have to admit, those two languages were never in my plans for learning :lol: Neither was Romanian, but to show my team spirit I'm learning it as well.
If it is a challenge, did you (pl.) also keep in mind that some of them are easier to learn then others?

The last language activity I've got going on this December is Pimsleur level I Icelandic. Uh, yup, Icelandic is back, for now.
Didn't see that coming (at least for now), especially after what you previously wrote in the other log.

Maybe breaking from Colloquial Icelandic will rekindle the flame.
As they say, que será, será.

There will be days/weeks/months where I feel invincible,
Like a female version of Super Mario maybe? Talking about that star that makes him blink... #ExplicatoryAnalogy #PersonallyNotPlayingAnyVideoGames

and there will be days/weeks/months where the weight of the task is too much and I feel like quitting. There will be times where it seems like everybody else has better ideas than I do, more time than I do, more achievements, etc. None of that matters. Each day one can choose to be paralyzed in the face of it all, or to keep moving. A mile, a meter, an inch. Doesn’t matter. Just keep moving.
Good to hear about that whole "No Matter if They Learn Faster" idea. Still wondering why exactly so many people out there have the "I must beat everyone at everything" idea.
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Re: Just keep moving.

Postby MamaPata » Tue Dec 04, 2018 1:06 pm

Hah, what a lovely idea! It's not something I want to do right now but I look forward to hearing how it goes for you!
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Postby Morgana » Thu Dec 06, 2018 5:04 am

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Re: Just keep moving.

Postby SGP » Thu Dec 06, 2018 6:03 am

Morgana wrote:No. There's no goal or outcome to be achieved other than doing the one lesson per day in each language during December. After the 31st we are all free to quit the entire thing.
I just might try something similar in the future (on my own, and without Duolingo). Simply doing one lesson per day for some time, then moving on.
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Re: Just keep moving.

Postby Cavesa » Thu Dec 06, 2018 1:51 pm

A great idea, I hope it goes well for you and your friends. I really like that it is activity oriented and not goal oriented, that looks like a very reasonable and motivating way to go.
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Postby Morgana » Fri Dec 14, 2018 5:58 am

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Postby Morgana » Thu Dec 20, 2018 11:55 pm

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Re: Just keep moving.

Postby SGP » Fri Dec 21, 2018 5:03 am

Morgana wrote: I've dropped Romanian since last time, but only because I know I won't continue with that language past the 31st. Otherwise, Romanian seemed pretty cool.

Can't disagree. Something Latin-based with great Slavonic influence. Sort of a rarity, I guess. You can't buy that at McDonald's.

As for JA and KO, Duolingo is entirely the wrong medium to start off with in those and I have not succeeded at memorizing/"learning" more than a handful of the characters in each language at this stage.

Now why isn't the (Mean?) Green Owl the best Japanese and Korean from Zero Teacher?

As for German, the longer I continue into the Duolingo tree, the more cognates I see with Swedish, and the less I like German based off of that :lol: It's like Swedish, but spelled funny, and pronounced funny, and eventually it will have way more complicated grammar, why would I do that to myself?? I'm just kidding around.

Do you know that some of "us" could say the very same thing about Swedish, too? "Swedish is like German, but spelled funny, and pronounced funny, and it also has less complicated grammar, but I really need the Vier Superwichtige Fälle Der Deutschen Sprache to express myself!".

But, mind you, this is no Retourkutsche ("return carriage", i.e. a tit-for-tat response). By the way, "Luftspiegelung" (literally it means sth. like "air mirroring") is the native word for the (also well-known) Fata Morgana. And me too, I am Just Kidding Around. Because I am a Schelm. :lol:

I really like the idea of being able to unqueue Swedish in the not-so-distant future once again. And I do hope that this day will come.

What do you think about the following?
I (later) could try to reach Swedish B2, because you are at B1 right now. And then I would press the Swedish Pause Button, so you could try to reach C1, thus "beating" me once again, just as you already are doing right now if you can actively use B1 Swedish. #ThisIsNotReallyAChallengeOffer #SimplyMentioningTheSolePossibilityOfANoEnvyChallenge
#YesIDidReadYourWholePostInItsEntirety

[ ] Yes
[ ] No
[ ] Maybe
[ ] Not telling ya! Because that way, I can secretly plan some more Swedish learning activities, without yourself even realizing anything.
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Re: Just keep moving.

Postby SGP » Fri Dec 21, 2018 5:05 am

I'm glad where I'm at with Swedish but it's not easy. I'm glad pop-up dictionaries exist and that someone on the internet made one for Swedish on Kindle.

If I am not mistaken, the Swedish one, too, is monolingual. Is this approach much more useful to you than using a bilingual one?

Work through Colloquial Icelandic unit 8 continues however. I may actually get it done by the 31st. It just covered impersonal constructions, and how the "subject" in those kinds of constructions is not really a subject, so it isn't in the nominative case. It's a bit weird to get your head around but simple enough to memorize.

Recently had a Polish experience. Reading about it might be a bit useful to you, too.

"Jest" (he/she/ [it?] is) takes the instrumental case. So when someone states that "he/she" is _____ , this means "instrumentalizing" that noun in order to express something.

And "mam" (I have) takes the genitive case. This is like saying "I have [some/all] of a certain thing".

What I am trying to say is that there is some inner-language logic. After knowing it, remembering grammar could be even easier.


Though, now that I think about it, I haven't applied the same effort to remember the genders of words. I kind of hope it all just "comes together" with time because I can't see brute force memorization being The Way.

First, I learned German Word Genders. #GermanSpeakingBabyHomeSchool #ToddlerTeachings
Then, a long, long time later, it was about these Retro-Italian Daughters. They are very talkative. They kept providing me "all the day" with some Word Gender Information. And I did try both of "Robotic Rote Memorization" (a.k.a. Brute Force) ;) and the immersion and exposure approach. Now guess which one worked better for me?

Mostly because I'm unwilling to brute-force-memorize 8-)

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