Turkish Cramming Experiment: ILR 2 by 20190401 via flashcards

[Xmmm]

I'm having a great time watching dubbed Italian TV with 80%+ comprehension and Russian TV with 50% comprehension. Those are hard fought gains, particularly the Russian. I'd like to build on that and not divert 1000 hours of free time into bringing up my Turkish comprehension from its current 10% (sans subtitles) level. So the basic goal is to turn 1000 hours of frustration into 200 hours of deadly boredom and 800 hours of fun fun fun.

The main problem is I graduated from Duolingo Turkish with only 1100 words. I've picked up 600 words from incomprehensible TV, but I'm only learning something like 5 words an hour. Turkish TV is good, but not that good. Would be better if I understood more.

Goal: B2 on Dialang in Turkish by 1 April 2019

Method:

1. Assemble flashcards. This is an ongoing process from raiding The Delights of Learning Turkish and a pocket dictionary. Target is 6000 cards.
2. Do flash cards. Probably I have time to do an hour a day, which would add up to 200 hours ... should be enough. Whether I have the pain tolerance, I don't know.

Chance to complete? 65% (super boring)
Chance of success? Assuming I complete, 50%. I'm going to flail on listening, need a fix for that. Maybe flashcards with public address messages on them and TTS, lol.

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B A S E L I N E:

TELC A1 mock exam: 51.5/70 (writing portion omitted)
arealme.com: 4010 (equivalent to a Turkish 4 year old)
17 minute vocabulary test: 1700 words

[iguanamon]

Smallwhite is learning Turkish. She has talked in the past about learning the 5,000 most common words. It will be interesting to see how you progress. I wish you good luck! A quick search reveals:
5000 Turkish Sentences Sorted from Easiest to Hardest (already in anki with audio)
GSCE List of 3,000 most common words- alphabetical order
2,000 most common Turkish words
Wiktionary 10,000 most common Turkish words
Turkish Clozemaster
Perhaps Forvo for audio and ask smallwhite for advice on learning the language.

[smallwhite]

> Goal: B2 on Dialang in Turkish by 1 April 2019

I see instructions in Turkish but not tests for Turkish on Dialang.

> 5000 Turkish Sentences Sorted from Easiest to Hardest (already in anki with audio)

I use this one. I translate the sentences from English to Turkish.

[Xmmm]

I see instructions in Turkish but not tests for Turkish on Dialang.

I saw Turkish in the drop down and I don't think it was there a year or two ago, so I got excited and didn't look further. Rats. Well, purely for vocabulary I can always retake the 17 minute exam placement test where I already scored A2 and 1700 words last week. The questions are randomized, so no danger in retaking it periodically. I don't see any full bore online placement exams with a quick search, but have six months to look around I suppose.

Edit: There's this: https://www.telc.net/en/shop/turkish.html. Some kind of German non profit sells mock Turkish exams with books and cds? Kinda weird, but the website doesn't look like a scam ... anyway, plenty of time to shop around.

[smallwhite]

Rats. Well, purely for vocabulary I can always retake the 17 minute exam placement test where I already scored A2 and 1700 words last week. The questions are randomized, so no danger in retaking it periodically.

I use 17minute as well. They don't have that many words/questions in their database.

[reineke]

That test should only be used to evaluate whether you should purchase one of their courses.

TELC

https://www.telc.net/en/shop/turkish.html

is not a scam.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Eur ... rtificates

[aaleks]

I did that 17 minute test for Russian but it seems my language skill in that language seems unreal for the test and the thing goes crazy every time I tried to pass it. Also it suggests that I know only 5400 Russian words (vs 1500 Italian's) which looks uhmmm a bit insulting . I don't know why that happens but I tried more than one time, and the result was the same.

[reineke]

I got C2/5400 words known on the German word recognition test which is considerably easier than the A1-B2 ITT-Leipzig test mentioned below.

For the benefit of other readers, this test covers all the commonly studied languages. I recommend not skipping the "productive" test:

http://www.itt-leipzig.de/static/startseiteeng.html

You can find other tests here:

https://forum.language-learners.org/vie ... 19&t=2897/

Not all the tests are top quality but it's hard to find a worse one than the 17-minute test. I spent a few minutes on the above-mentioned resource and I found these Turkish tests/vocabulary exercises:

https://www.languagecoursesuk.co.uk/tes ... omain=fluk

https://www.ezglot.com/vocabulary-test.php?r=s

https://www.transparent.com/learn-turki ... w-quizzes/

http://a4esl.org

https://www.ezglot.com/vocabulary-test.php?l=tur

https://www.arealme.com/kelime-dagarcigi-testi/en/

If you intend to spend a year on this you should approach self-evaluation in a more thoughtful manner. Or whatever

[Xmmm]

If you intend to spend a year on this you should approach self-evaluation in a more thoughtful manner. Or whatever

I don't know ... being completely thoughtless has led to an occasional disaster in my life. But more often, it leads to people being astonished by my amazing ability to "think outside the box" (because I don't even know what the box is, but don't tell them that!).

I've announced a target that requires an objective measure that I've reached a certain level. I assumed going in that if such an objective measure existed, someone would find it for me. So, I thank you.

[rdearman]

I assumed going in that if such an objective measure existed, someone would find it for me. So, I thank you.

The Way of the Lazy Fist.