Zelda's French Log (+ Modern Greek)

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Re: Zelda's French Log (+ Modern Greek)

Postby Cavesa » Thu Nov 29, 2018 12:15 am

zjones wrote:
MamaPata wrote:Depending on when you want to take it (I.e. If you're thinking December rather than February!), I wouldn't bother taking the B1. I definitely think you could pass B2 with just a little more work. Do you need the exam for anything or is it for you?


Thanks. I have issues with test anxiety, so I think it would be better to take the B1 and pass, rather than take the B2 and not pass. Later I can take the B2, and I'll know what taking the DELF is like.

The test is for me, because I would like to have a certification to show what I've achieved with French. If/When I look for a job, I want to be able to put a certified French level on my resume -- even if the job does not require French in any way, I think it shows that I have the discipline to apply myself to something fairly difficult.

And also, I really want a certification because I would feel proud to have it.


That is a valid strategy and sounds to be the best for you. If neither money nor time are an issue, going from B1 to the other levels progressively sounds like the right course of action. Skipping levels is more needed, if you need to economise or have a deadline. Truth be told, I am now beating myself over not having tried that with Spanish. Had I taken B1 sometime around my C2 French exam, I could have better directed my studies, climbed to C1, and applied to the Spanish residency exam this year. Nope, instead, I've been waiting for the moment of feeling ready for C1 and it might just never come. And I certainly don't have time to push myself in this area this year.

The older I am, the more I am convinced these tests should be taken as soon as you can, as you never know when you'll need them and there will never be more time. Also, they can be very motivational, which is the best thing about them.

It can also be very educative, as the DELF/DALF exams are not basically the same thing, just with a different level of awesomeness being expected from you. A1-B1 are rather similar in form and in what kinds of stuff are you expected to do. But B2 is already different, C1 and C2 as well. If I may try a metaphore. I think it's like being asked to write a YA book at A1-B1, just a better one at each step, then a good fantasy at B2, an ok high literature novel at C1, and a really good high literature at C2. While the high literature is the end goal, learning the fantasy and YA on the way there can be beneficial too.
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Re: Zelda's French Log (+ Modern Greek)

Postby avalon » Thu Nov 29, 2018 12:29 am

Morgana wrote:
zjones wrote:
avalon wrote:I would have responded to your private message, but I sheepishly admit I see no way to reply :lol:


I think the reply button is at the bottom of the message, ....
Sorry to butt in here! I think a user needs a minimum of 3 posts before they are given PM privileges, so that might be avalon’s issue.


You're not "butting in" at all! Thanks for pointing this out. I've now gone back to review the forum rules.
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Re: Zelda's French Log (+ Modern Greek)

Postby zjones » Thu Nov 29, 2018 11:21 pm

I just became aware of the ne littéraire. I remember being confused by some uses of the ne littéraire when I was reading Harry Potter, but I must have ignored them. Maybe I thought it was a typo. I'm not sure how I could go this long without being aware of this negation. :?

Ne littéraire - Formal French Negation - Ne without Pas.
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Re: Zelda's French Log (+ Modern Greek)

Postby Cèid Donn » Fri Nov 30, 2018 2:40 am

zjones wrote: I'm not sure how I could go this long without being aware of this negation. :?


Because the brutal truth about French is, regardless of whether an individual learner finds French overall to be "easy" or "hard," there is just a lot stuff to learn. Little, annoying, detail-y stuff. Like this. You have to learn rules, then the exceptions to the rules, then the exceptions to the exceptions...it never ends with French. :mrgreen:
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Re: Zelda's French Log (+ Modern Greek)

Postby Cavesa » Fri Nov 30, 2018 2:46 am

Cèid Donn wrote:
zjones wrote: I'm not sure how I could go this long without being aware of this negation. :?


Because the brutal truth about French is, regardless of whether an individual learner finds French overall to be "easy" or "hard," there is just a lot stuff to learn. Little, annoying, detail-y stuff. Like this. You have to learn rules, then the exceptions to the rules, then the exceptions to the exceptions...it never ends with French. :mrgreen:


Still much better than English. That is the Queen of irregularity!

Don't worry, Zelda. This is a minor thing. There are people unaware for years that subjonctif exists (it was my case) and learning mistakes due to it.I had to unlearn them. The bright side: there is always something new to explore!
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Re: Zelda's French Log (+ Modern Greek)

Postby zjones » Fri Nov 30, 2018 5:46 pm

Cèid Donn wrote:
zjones wrote: I'm not sure how I could go this long without being aware of this negation. :?


Because the brutal truth about French is, regardless of whether an individual learner finds French overall to be "easy" or "hard," there is just a lot stuff to learn. Little, annoying, detail-y stuff. Like this. You have to learn rules, then the exceptions to the rules, then the exceptions to the exceptions...it never ends with French. :mrgreen:


Cavesa wrote:
Cèid Donn wrote:Because the brutal truth about French is, regardless of whether an individual learner finds French overall to be "easy" or "hard," there is just a lot stuff to learn. Little, annoying, detail-y stuff. Like this. You have to learn rules, then the exceptions to the rules, then the exceptions to the exceptions...it never ends with French. :mrgreen:


Still much better than English. That is the Queen of irregularity!

Don't worry, Zelda. This is a minor thing. There are people unaware for years that subjonctif exists (it was my case) and learning mistakes due to it.I had to unlearn them. The bright side: there is always something new to explore!


Thank you friends, that makes me feel a little better... a lot better actually! I'm continually running into this kind of stuff in French books, and once I think I have reading pretty well under control, I'll switch to a different author and suddenly find all kinds of new phrases. It's actually really exciting, but sometimes I start to feel like I'll never get to where I want to be. I'm glad to know I'm not the only one! :D
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Re: Zelda's French Log (+ Modern Greek)

Postby Cavesa » Sun Dec 02, 2018 4:41 am

Of course you're not the only one.

This is one of the reasons, why I believe most learners can profit from a high quality coursebook for advanced students. To discover what we don't know that we don't know. If you go through all the levels of Grammaire Progressive, there are few such things that would surprise you.
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Re: Zelda's French Log (+ Modern Greek)

Postby Cèid Donn » Sun Dec 02, 2018 5:09 am

Cavesa wrote:Of course you're not the only one.

This is one of the reasons, why I believe most learners can profit from a high quality coursebook for advanced students. To discover what we don't know that we don't know. If you go through all the levels of Grammaire Progressive, there are few such things that would surprise you.



I agree although I haven't yet used GP. I use books from PUG (Presses universitaires de Grenoble), like L'expression française an L'exercisier, although mine are older editions I got at a steep mark-off via Amazon sellers. (I think some of these titles might be published under a different imprint for markets outside of France now, I'm not sure.) But they are remarkable in helping me fine tune my grasp of French grammar. I still make plenty of mistakes, but I understand better what mistakes I'm making, if that makes any sense. ;)
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Re: Zelda's French Log (+ Modern Greek)

Postby zjones » Sun Dec 02, 2018 4:59 pm

I discovered a native French podcast called Change ma vie: outils pour l'esprit which is about "exploring your inner landscape" (my words). Clotilde Dusoulier offers advice about handling emotions, challenging core beliefs and anxiety. This topic is one of my guilty pleasures, and being able to indulge in French makes me not feel so guilty about binging on personal development stuff. :D
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Re: Zelda's French Log (+ Modern Greek)

Postby MamaPata » Sun Dec 02, 2018 8:48 pm

That came up while I was searching for some other stuff today! Intrigued to hear you like it. It's sort of up my street but I haven't listened to any yet.
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