PM’s French Adventures in the Matrix

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Re: PM’s French Adventures in the Matrix

Postby PeterMollenburg » Wed Jun 24, 2020 9:56 pm

Carmody wrote:Peter,

I have just paid for a subscription to Bien Dire; it isn't cheap but I hope it is worthwhile.

I took this step totally based on your recommendation.

I am hoping for the best.

Thanks.


Great! Let me know what you think! And good luck!
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Re: PM’s French Adventures in the Matrix

Postby PeterMollenburg » Tue Jun 30, 2020 11:41 am

As I transitioned back to almost French only studies (with a bit of Dutch with the kids), here are my numbers for June 2020:

French: 46 hours 34 min
Dutch: 21 hrs 18 min
Norwegian 19 hrs 18 min

= 87 hours 10 min total
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Re: PM’s French Adventures in the Matrix

Postby PeterMollenburg » Sat Aug 01, 2020 1:58 pm

Today was the start of my return to French only mission, targeting C2. I accomplished little. 30 minutes of reading to my son, 30 minutes of podcasts. It's a start but not the ideal I was targeting.

When I got home I surfed around some streaming services to see what might be worth watching. Netflix bored me and for the umpteenth time Ragnarok series 2 has not yet appeared... so I tried NRK and found what I thought to be a Dutch series set in Amsterdam. They all spoke English, with what seemed to be British accents for the most part. Why can't the Dutch make a decent series themselves? It was somewhat interesting but in the end I searched for something else. I found a documentary on Lance Armstrong. Being a huge Tour de France fan even long before my French language days I gave it a shot.

I've seen documentaries on Lance before, but this was a little different. It's in EN with NO subs, which I take very little notice of. I'm simply watching in EN for a change to chillax. Enjoyable. I feel for the guy. I try to put myself in his shoes somewhat. I can see why he did what he did, not because I would do the same, but I can see what drove him to make those decisions, much like I can see what some criminals have done to end up where they have whom I work around in the prison system sometimes. Were I born into Lance's situation, exposed to the same people and experiences, there's a good chance I could've become a similar type of person. Were I born into a family with drug taking criminal parents absent or abusive throughout my childhood, I just might resort to criminal activity and end up in prison (I'm not meaning that Lance is a criminal similar to those I come across in prison, for the record). For that matter, were I a billionaire seeking power, or a power seeker needing funds for a campaign, I could end up a corrupt politician. I might see injustices in this world but with a bit of reflection it's easy to see how many people judged as less than perfect may make some pretty seriously poor decisions. Should they be loved less (not by fans/followers, but caring compassionate love)?

Regardless of Lance's actions I still think he was a stellar cyclist before he took drugs and likely while and after he took them. Had he never admitted to taking them I might not be so empathetic. Do I recommend drug taking in sport? NEVER! I used to train like an athlete once upon a time myself as my father represented Australia and I was following his work ethic in sport. I could never compromise my values, too stubborn. Anyway, I will watch the second part of the documentary tomorrow, then I will watch no more English, Dutch (unless the kids are watching some Dutch) or Norwegian.... nor other languages while watching TV. French, French and French is the rule! I need to get this done!!

What I really need to do is get that motivation back that I had when I began this French journey several years ago. The determination and drive that came back recently with Norwegian. I don't know that it's faded that much with French, it's just hard to notice progress in the more advanced levels of a language while learning it and my learning has slipped into simply using the language throughout my days, but I need to push it if I want to advance. Anyway, that motivation and drive was then and this is now. The situation is different. I have a family, what's happening around me is different, the world is different, but essentially I still want the same thing with regards to my French advancement. I know what I need to do, so I must get to work and be patient with the process but work hard and don't stop until I achieve it and I need to say to myself that no other languages are going to happen until I accomplish this. I ought not work so hard that everything else gets neglected, I weaken my health and so forth, but instead I must work efficiently, intelligently - work hard when it matters and know when to put it aside and keep going... and of course be careful with my methods. I must keep going.... keep going... until.....

Signing off, it's me (points at self)

PS. Remember that time I talked about conspiracy theories? Remember that? No, probably not... peace out tout le monde, et à bientôt !

Oh, so what am I going to do?

2hrs desk study/day:

40 min/day vocab acquisition (intensive reading),
40 min/day watching
40 min/day extensive reading...

plus extra activities where possible.

I will reassess in the nearish future.

edit:
Very important message to convey.... Do you think all the personalities on this language forum are fake and I'm potentially the only real one? That this is like the Truman Show and I'm the Truman type dude of LLorg? Could I be saying this because I'm part of the fake cast and YOU are Truman and everyone else on here is fake? Clearly this is a very serious predicament. I think only the moderators can answer this. So... who is Truman and is Truman real.... also was the Truman Show a testing ground made as a precursor to LLorg, the real Truman Show? Who are you people!!!!!!

There is a clue... most of the people on here, me included are not using their REAL names!!
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Re: PM’s French Adventures in the Matrix

Postby eido » Sat Aug 01, 2020 5:07 pm

Well, I know I'm real... So you can at least count on me.
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Re: PM’s French Adventures in the Matrix

Postby iguanamon » Sat Aug 01, 2020 6:51 pm

PeterMollenburg wrote:...Very important message to convey.... Do you think all the personalities on this language forum are fake and I'm potentially the only real one? That this is like the Truman Show and I'm the Truman type dude of LLorg? Could I be saying this because I'm part of the fake cast and YOU are Truman and everyone else on here is fake? Clearly this is a very serious predicament. I think only the moderators can answer this. So... who is Truman and is Truman real.... also was the Truman Show a testing ground made as a precursor to LLorg, the real Truman Show? Who are you people!!!!!!

There is a clue... most of the people on here, me included are not using their REAL names!!

Lennon and McCartney (with apologies for the alterations) wrote:I am he as you are he as you are me
And we are all together
See how they run like pigs from a gun see how they fly
I'm crying
Sitting on a cornflake waiting for the van to come
Corporation tee-shirt, stupid bloody Tuesday
Man you've been a naughty boy. You let your post go long
I am the eggman, they are the eggmen
I am the iguana, goo goo goo joob

You should have taken the blue pill, PM!
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Re: PM’s French Adventures in the Matrix

Postby PeterMollenburg » Sun Aug 02, 2020 3:20 am

eido wrote:Well, I know I'm real... So you can at least count on me.


Hmmmm.... nice in theory, but in reality I'm not sure I trust you, eido... I have an idea. Send me all your details. Name, address, phone number, credit card details (multiple please), access to bank accounts. That'll ensure I know who you are, I think. Don't be surprised if I then ask you in the name of retaining your freedom to give up most of your freedoms. If anyone can be trusted here, it's me. :lol:

iguanamon wrote:
PeterMollenburg wrote:...Very important message to convey.... Do you think all the personalities on this language forum are fake and I'm potentially the only real one? That this is like the Truman Show and I'm the Truman type dude of LLorg? Could I be saying this because I'm part of the fake cast and YOU are Truman and everyone else on here is fake? Clearly this is a very serious predicament. I think only the moderators can answer this. So... who is Truman and is Truman real.... also was the Truman Show a testing ground made as a precursor to LLorg, the real Truman Show? Who are you people!!!!!!

There is a clue... most of the people on here, me included are not using their REAL names!!

Lennon and McCartney (with apologies for the alterations) wrote:I am he as you are he as you are me
And we are all together
See how they run like pigs from a gun see how they fly
I'm crying
Sitting on a cornflake waiting for the van to come
Corporation tee-shirt, stupid bloody Tuesday
Man you've been a naughty boy. You let your post go long
I am the eggman, they are the eggmen
I am the iguana, goo goo goo joob

You should have taken the blue pill, PM!


Oh... ummm, also 'they' told me to choose between the red or blue pill. Well, while they weren't looking I took more red pills... about five to 25 more. Do you think that could've been dangerous? I didn't have a prescription so I'm worried I could render my health insurance void... Maybe when I get eido's bank details I might be able to reinsure myself somehow and remove the '25 red pill clause'... ? :?


Today started better with my French. Not 2 hours but 40 min at the desk... it's a start, i'll build on that. I blame Lance Armstrong as I had to stay up late to see what he had to say about the red pills. He didn't mention them, so I'll keep digging. The truth is out there!
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Re: PM’s French Adventures in the Matrix

Postby rdearman » Sun Aug 02, 2020 8:51 am

Serious question for you.

I am curious if you have tried to create an immersive environment for yourself in French? I know it is difficult in an English speaking country, but since your children understand French and presumably your wife, why not make your home language complete French? Only read French news, only watch French films, only read French books, study Norwegian only with French materials, etc., etc..

Sort of like if you were in France and had to use English at work, but the rest of your day is French. In other words stop studying French and start living it.
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Re: PM’s French Adventures in the Matrix

Postby PeterMollenburg » Sun Aug 02, 2020 11:46 am

rdearman wrote:Serious question for you.

I am curious if you have tried to create an immersive environment for yourself in French? I know it is difficult in an English speaking country, but since your children understand French and presumably your wife, why not make your home language complete French? Only read French news, only watch French films, only read French books, study Norwegian only with French materials, etc., etc..

Sort of like if you were in France and had to use English at work, but the rest of your day is French. In other words stop studying French and start living it.


Yes I have, and for the most part I have been successful.
I have spoken only in French with my children up until 6 months ago when I introduced Dutch every other day. Never English.
If I watch news, it is never in English unless I'm visiting someone or someone shows me something in English.
If I listen to podcasts.... French
If I read a book.... French
If I read the news.... French
If I read about current affairs, politics, how to resolve a computer problem, gardening, a wikipedia article... French
If I watch a movie.... French
If I watch a series... French
My Netflix is set to French
I have a VPN and watch French TV from Belgium, France, Switzerland and Canada.
I own French based courses for Dutch and Norwegian. I was recently using a French based course for Dutch, but because the French based Norwegian course is arguably not the best method to begin with (Assimil) as the accents and dialects vary (as I'm told) across the lessons considerably, I opted not to do the same for NO. Mind you I did attempt to procure a FR-NO dictionary, but in the end have not got around to buying one due to other priorities. I did attempt to find a decent-ish FR-NO dictionary online but wasn't overly impressed with what I could find, but was using google translate at times.

I used to believe French based resources were the only way to go when learning another language. Unfortunately this limits me. The best way to go is to find the resources that you're most likely to use, most motivated to use, most interesting etc but definitely attempt to use French as a base language by default if possible, but not limit yourself to those only, particularly in NO as there simply aren't enough good language courses from a French base (or at least good ones that I would use). I often use an online dictionary to find Dutch words when speaking to my kids. I first use the French-Dutch dictionary, only if I don't know a French term do I go to the English-French dictionary first (to learn the French word) then translate to Dutch.

My wife speaks little French but understands a fair amount of everyday French from the conversations I have with my children. We have often suggested going French all the way with her like I have with our kids... but that is tricky and means changing the dynamics of our relationship in a major way.

Any computer programs, google, OS of my phone, computer etc.. ANYTHING I can switch to French I have done and will do so in future.

I had been in contact with a French recruiting agency in Belgium on and off over recent years. All communication was in French (emails) and a few months back we skyped... I used French only.

Perhaps the only things I could do is get my wife speaking French and start translating ALL of my English to French in my head while working, while speaking with others etc. Mind you I often search medical issues in French too, only referring to English if absolutely necessary (if I get lost, or need clarification).

I think I'm doing pretty well. I have done all this for several years.

Only lately have I let my hair down a little more and given myself permission to back off a little and occasionally watch something in English, but that's not going to last... I have a mission at hand and even if English entered the picture a little more it would never occupy even 50% of the space that French currently occupies, I feel.

Btw, I'm open to any further suggestions, absolutely ;)
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Re: PM’s French Adventures in the Matrix

Postby DaveAgain » Mon Aug 03, 2020 4:42 am

PeterMollenburg wrote:If I read a book.... French
I've just finished a book I think you might like, essais politiques by Václav Havel (ISBN: 2702118275).

The essay titles are:
    Lettre ouverte à Gustav Husak
    Le sens de la Charte 77
    Le pouvoir des sans-pouvoir
    Histoires et totalitarisme
    Anatomie d'une réticence
    La politique et la conscience
    Face aux juges
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Re: PM’s French Adventures in the Matrix

Postby Gustav Aschenbach » Mon Aug 03, 2020 4:52 am

Hello Peter,

wow, your immersion environment is impressive! I'm way too undisciplined for that and I read and watch too much stuff in German (newspaper etc.). How about writing your log in French as well?
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