Re: Pete Mollenburg's Adventures in the Matrix in French and Dutch
Posted: Thu Dec 27, 2018 11:00 pm
That's a really good challenge. I really like it. I definitely need something like that for 2019.
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Sarafina wrote:That's a really good challenge. I really like it. I definitely need something like that for 2019.
Skynet wrote:It's great to hear from you, PM!
I am delighted to see that you have remained determined to stick to your plan despite all the hassles of moving to a different continent. I had to vanquish Dutch Without Toil and Spanish Without Toil back to the netherworld called Melkor's basement. I am surprised that the embassy was not in the capital (Canberra), and even more surprised that the KSA embassy did not communicate its relocation to its stakeholders well in advance. I mean Sydney is only a stone throw's away from Melbourne at a mere 880 kms (using the M31).
I am quite surprised that your French would suffer from a reduction in time spent on it in such a short amount of time. I was under the impression that the consensus around these parts was that B2 was the panacea to TL language decay. I have invested too much time in my French to even allow the slightest sign of TL decline. I can imagine that it would be 10x worse for you as you have invested FIVE years. If something is asphyxiating your French and you cannot accept that, please terminate your foray into a second/third language immediately. French also has tremendous sentimental importance to you as a lingua franca between you and your children. It is also your language of vehement opposition to the tyranny of overreaching in-laws.
I still believe that you are at the C1 level, even if you don't see it yourself. After my B2 in March, I am going to slow my French down and focus primarily on German. Lawyer&Mom has shown me that you can be very confident and fluent in both, even at the B2 level. Having a string of C-level; languages is great, but being at a solid B2 is also very impressive.
Arabic is very demanding for us (L1 English speakers), and I think that the language will eventually crowd out your other interests (Dutch, Spanish, Norwegian and German). Since it is much easier to get more return on your time investment in IE languages, you may end up dropping Arabic for something else. Since your career lies in Europe, Dutch and French look like wise investments.
trui wrote:I still think that many people underestimate the CEFR levels, and that's okay. Then again, it's hard not to considering some of the tests based on the CEFR. I can't judge your French so I don't know if you are, but I wouldn't stress about it.
Studying Dutch in Leiden, I've taken 5 courses taught in Dutch this semester and I'll be taking 6 courses next semester. IIRC, the courses I'm taking at the moment specifically about improving one's Dutch intend to take your active skills to a B1/B2 level, and they're no joke! On the intake tests, I just barely passed the listening test and didn't score that high on the reading test. I think that means I'm B1/B2 when it comes to my passive skills, and I certainly need it for the lectures! That's why you have to pass said intake tests before being able to follow the second year courses.
Anyways, whether or not I'm B1 or B2 or whatever, my point is that you should be concerned more about your abilities than labels (though of course tests are useful for employment...) And if you are B2, then you can be certain that it's a super solid B2 That's how I view my level. I'm working on further solidifying my level. Any progress I make solidifies it even more. And I don't know about you, but I kind of like the idea of becoming a rock solid B2 than a rather shakey C1.
Dutch is nice, but getting your French to be rock solid would be even nicer, non? That's what I'm trying to do with my Dutch. But only you can decide what's best for you.
PeterMollenburg wrote:However, where does it end? What if in one year, I don't feel that much better in French? It probably won't be the case, but there's plenty to consider here.