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Re: PM's French Target: C1 2018

Postby Ani » Wed Dec 27, 2017 5:20 pm

rdearman wrote:. Let's just say you decide you're going to move after school breaks up in 2019, and let me assume that would be in July in Australia..


Jan - Dec school year typically in Australia I believe. Still I agree with you and July is a nice month, giving time to get settled in before la rentrée.

PM just dooooooo it :) Impulsive moving and travel is like my middle name. I think we might be about to do it again in fact. I wish I could give you some of my fairy dust. Can you not just apply now and see what they say about your credentials without first being ready to move? And can you be revaluated in two years if the results are not as you had hoped?
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Re: PM's French Target: C1 2018

Postby iguanamon » Wed Dec 27, 2017 8:01 pm

PM, this French journey you've undertaken is your journey. It's your choice and decision how you walk it. I've seen you change your study plan, or announce a change so many times over the years that I now just smile when I see them :lol: I wish you best of luck in the New Year! You're going to be fine, you'll get there.
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Re: PM's French Target: C1 2018

Postby PeterMollenburg » Thu Dec 28, 2017 12:47 pm

rdearman wrote:
PeterMollenburg wrote:I'm honestly just analyzing myself here. You're probably as ridiculous as me!

I'm probably more actually! Still I know what you mean about constantly going in circles. I know you do listen to peoples advice here, you just don't always take it. (Quite rightly). But I'd like to chip in again.

You aren't ready to move, financially. However, my recommendation is that you pick a date. Something which would be hard to achieve but possible. Let's just say you decide you're going to move after school breaks up in 2019, and let me assume that would be in July in Australia. This deadline forces you to do things which you might be procrastinating with at the moment. For example, you might not be putting as much money toward credit card debit as you really could if pushed. (These are only examples, since I don't know your situation). But I feel that having a concrete deadline means you have to re-evaluate the plan based on the new deadline.

I collect self-help and management books like you collect French courses and one thing I know is this:
A goal without a deadline is just a wish.


So you and your wife agree the deadline, you might even make a real commitment like buying airline tickets. But really nothing clarifies a plan like a deadline. If we return to my example; you might evaluate your plan against the July 2019 date and decide to change the date.

It might be that having selected the date of 14th of July 2019 ( ;) ) you think you could do it quicker and set your sights on January. This change in date with bump up other problems like changing schools mid-year. Or you might evaluate the 14th of July 2019 and work out you'd need another 3 months to get your debt paid, etc.

What I'm saying to you is you need to evaluate your goal and set a deadline for its accomplishment. Once you have the date set you can work backwards to determine if it is possible, check dependencies, etc.


Well, you might be more ridiculous than me, but... I think the above post is one of the most important in the entire time of existence of PM's highly exciting, riveting, pivotal, mind blowing logs (referred to in third person as I am the alien that is currently in possession of his vehicular 3rd interactive sensory device, otherwise known as, his body). Seriously, it's a very important post, thank you kindly Rick. So much so, I went off and started thinking about dates, the importance of writing down desired achievements and committing to aims/objectives/targets and stole most of my unique thoughts that no-one else had ever thought of straight from a combination of yourself rdearman and a PDF version of The Pledge by Michael Masterson Yes I have sinned, the book is in English (I do admit I searched for a French version, but found none). That was last night.

Tonight, after doing little much else than break my diet yet again by giving in to organic carbohydrate loaded sugarless, artificial sweetener-free expensive snacks (Christmas set me off, it's not my fault dammit!), I briefly discussed 'end dates' with my wife. I pushed for mid 2019, she pushed for longer - start of 2020. I then convinced her that the weather is shyte that time of year in Belgium (think Netherlands winter and potentially worse for Wallonia), she gave in but stretched it further out to 1st of March 2020, but with a clause - if I need to leave earlier to organise work, house/apartment etc then I could potentially leave 1st Jan 2020.

So there you have it, an 'end date'. A target, that ought not to move. That's the easy part. The not as easy part is filling in the gaps, the achievable steps to make it to that date, the detailed breakdown. The hard part is committing, since we all know I'm rubbish at sticking to study plans. Here's a loose one in terms of language study (but i'll work on this more, and work out a plan for finances, and employment as well)-

Jan/Feb/March 2018:
French in Action (FIA)
Yabla
Assimil

April 2018:
FIA
Assimil (if not yet completed)

May 2018:
FIA
Super Challenge! (SC)
Other French learning activities

August 2018:
Exam prep for C1
+ other French learning activities

November 2018:
Sit DALF C1

Dec 2018 - May 2019
Exam prep for C2

May 2019:
Sit DALF C2

June 2019:
Restart Dutch despite French standing (see below)
Commence assessment of nursing qualifications

*I think if I am too far off being able to pass the DALF exams I will change my French learning approach and aim to resit the exams at a later date/year in the future post more French exposure and will in the meantime introduce (an)other language(s), such as Dutch.
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Re: PM's French Target: C1 2018

Postby PeterMollenburg » Thu Dec 28, 2017 1:01 pm

Ani wrote:
rdearman wrote:. Let's just say you decide you're going to move after school breaks up in 2019, and let me assume that would be in July in Australia..


Jan - Dec school year typically in Australia I believe. Still I agree with you and July is a nice month, giving time to get settled in before la rentrée.

PM just dooooooo it :) Impulsive moving and travel is like my middle name. I think we might be about to do it again in fact. I wish I could give you some of my fairy dust. Can you not just apply now and see what they say about your credentials without first being ready to move? And can you be revaluated in two years if the results are not as you had hoped?


Yep Jan - Dec is our school year, which makes perfect sense. I sometimes struggle with the idea of a school year starting midway or 3/4 way through a standard year, just seems odd, but due to summer breaks, I guess that makes sense. Anyway...

...no, can't just do it, sorry. This does require planning. The New Caledonia holiday seriously nearly sunk this ship. We borrowed when we shouldn't have, spent what we didn't have and came home to big bills and Christmas. Like I said, I am stupid sometimes. We'll be digging ourselves out of a hole for many months to come, not just because of the holiday, but because we weren't in the best position to begin with anyway. Sometimes no matter how much I try to think rationally with planning, I wind up doing exactly what I shouldn't have done. Still, I think there is an element of magic in our minds/hearts/spirit, our ambitions and our plans that we write down or think on somehow. Life has a way of just changing almost as if thoughts materialize into action ;) I"ve never been wealthy nor completely snowed under in debt, but always believed we could make it to Europe despite all that, but when you momentarily take on far too much water, it does take some time to hit the high seas again unless you want remain at the bottom of the ocean. Thanks for the kind words Ani ;)

About applying now, it has crossed my mind, and I may indeed do this, but I've still more information to gather. Life's busy and finding the key points of critical information on a topic that is hard to pinpoint on the web, takes a little research. I'm not sure the validity of my 'assessed qualifications' will have an expiry period. Nor am I sure as to whether or not I need to be a Belgian resident before I can even begin this process. I still have some key points to research and limited time to do so in my busy day to day life, but I'll figure it all out in the end and if it is not an expensive fruitless process to have my qualifications assessed early, it may be in my interest to do so, even if it means needing to do so twice (2018 out of curiosity to know and later on before leaving for Belgium). We'll see :)
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Re: PM's French Target: C1 2018

Postby PeterMollenburg » Thu Dec 28, 2017 1:20 pm

iguanamon wrote:PM, this French journey you've undertaken is your journey. It's your choice and decision how you walk it. I've seen you change your study plan, or announce a change so many times over the years that I now just smile when I see them :lol: I wish you best of luck in the New Year! You're going to be fine, you'll get there.


Thanks iguanamon. And I do realise, like rdearman, you've made the same point at times (which Ani and others have pointed out too) - just go for it! I agree I need to just do this, and yet as you know I'll do it my way ;) Thanks as always for your awesome support. I hope things are going well with you :) Saw you're learning some Catalan, nice ;) Before you know it you'll be learning Languedocien, Corsican, Italian, Provençal and then FRENCH!!! :o Sorry, someone forced me to say that, I would never dare be so, umm, rude ? :? ;) Truly hope you are well :)
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Re: PM's French Target: C1 2018

Postby iguanamon » Thu Dec 28, 2017 2:15 pm

PeterMollenburg wrote:... Before you know it you'll be learning Languedocien, Corsican, Italian, Provençal and then FRENCH!!! ...

Wow, I use one emoticon and I unleash a storm of them! You're welcome, PM. Maybe, I will learn French someday, if I ever run out of Iberian languages. It could take me a lifetime before I cross the Pyrenees ;). Bòn chans, zanmi'm ! Happy New Year/Bòn Ane !
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Re: PM's French Target: C1 2018

Postby PeterMollenburg » Thu Dec 28, 2017 9:52 pm

iguanamon wrote:
PeterMollenburg wrote:... Before you know it you'll be learning Languedocien, Corsican, Italian, Provençal and then FRENCH!!! ...

Wow, I use one emoticon and I unleash a storm of them! You're welcome, PM. Maybe, I will learn French someday, if I ever run out of Iberian languages. It could take me a lifetime before I cross the Pyrenees ;). Bòn chans, zanmi'm ! Happy New Year/Bòn Ane !


Bonne année mon ami, que 2018 t’apporte plein de bonnes choses dont tu veux ou en avoir besoin !
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Re: PM's French Target: C1 2018

Postby PeterMollenburg » Mon Jan 01, 2018 10:06 am

French (summary) in 2017

Total hours: 682hrs 56min

Breakdown
French television: 167hrs 22min
Courses: 166hrs 57min
Podcasts: 103hrs 19min
Extensive reading: 65hrs 51min
Audio courses: 63hrs 7min
Intensive reading: 40hrs 41min
Flashcards: 34hrs 52min
Vocabulary study in isolation: 21hrs 57min
Speaking: 13hrs 44min
Writing in isolation: 4hrs 36min
Audio books: 2hrs 21min
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Re: PM's French Target: C1 2018

Postby Carmody » Mon Jan 01, 2018 4:53 pm

Peter,

Many thanks for your French (summary) in 2017; it looks great. Congratulations.

Thanks especially for the breakdown showing how the time was invested specifically. It was very interesting to see how you invested your time in the different areas for your study. In 2018, I am going to have to figure out on my Excel spreadsheet how to separate the different areas so that I can come up with as clean a summation as you have done.

As always you do great and I continue to learn from you and your journey. You are one very excellent teacher.

Congratulations and thanks.

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Re: PM's French Target: C1 2018

Postby PeterMollenburg » Tue Jan 02, 2018 7:30 am

Carmody wrote:Peter,

Many thanks for your French (summary) in 2017; it looks great. Congratulations.

Thanks especially for the breakdown showing how the time was invested specifically. It was very interesting to see how you invested your time in the different areas for your study. In 2018, I am going to have to figure out on my Excel spreadsheet how to separate the different areas so that I can come up with as clean a summation as you have done.

As always you do great and I continue to learn from you and your journey. You are one very excellent teacher.

Congratulations and thanks.

Carmody


Thanks Carmody,

Very kind words indeed. My breakdown isn’t 100% accurate and doesn’t take into account my reading books with my daughter and speaking with her. I also very often cut my listening numbers back, particularly with podcasts while commuting simply because I don’t focus sometimes for many minutes on end. It’s fair, as I wouldn’t count background noise. But all in all it’s a somewhat useful guide in understanding effort and efficiency.

I’m glad my summary proves useful or even inspiring (at least to me... to do better the following year). If i’m a genius with brain damage, relegating me back to a tad below average intelligence, I am proof that intellect is not that important, but insanity persistance is!

You gotta fight for your right, to stuuuudddyyy! :) Sir Massive Turd signing off from the Grampians National Park, Victoria, Australia (have done some nice bushwalks in the last couple of days).
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