Re: PM’s French Re-entry into the Matrix - Phase 1: 500 Hours Extensive Reading

[rlnv]

Je plussoie, zappe le niveau débutant, c'est une perte totale de temps à ton niveau. Commence par les niveaux intermédiaires.
Et enlève FSI, c'est redondant avec CLE.

FSI est redondant avec CLI comment ? FSI incite l'étudiant à parler en réponse vite de tous les exercices. Le CLE que je faisais ce n'était pas comme ça.

[Arnaud]

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[Elenia]

Si PM ressent le besoin d'étudier FSI, qu'il le fasse, c'est pas moi qui vais l'en empêcher...

Non, c'est moi!!

Ben, OK, je blague...

[Cavesa]

On devra visiter Peter et cacher la plupart de ses livres

(puis-je ajouter des livres CLE qu'il a oublié, ou serrais-je torturée par vous tous, qui lui protégez de cette avalanche? )

[rlnv]

FSI est redondant avec CLI comment ? FSI incite l'étudiant à parler en réponse vite de tous les exercices. Le CLE que je faisais ce n'était pas comme ça.

Zut, j'ai dit une connerie ? Encore une, pas grave
Pour moi, FSI est suranné et couvre simplement la base du vocabulaire et de la grammaire française, comme le ferait n'importe quelle autre série comme CLE or "X progressif du français" qui sont plus modernes, c'est en ça que c'est redondant.
Si PM ressent le besoin d'étudier FSI, qu'il le fasse, c'est pas moi qui vais l'en empêcher...

Ok, from that perspective I think we agree. I was looking at it from my position of being significantly stronger with receptive skills than productive. FSI is a real workout for the drills and spontaneous responses required. Even though I consider myself B2 reading / B1+ listening, I'm probably A1 in speaking and A2 in writing on a good day. So I was looking at it from that periscope.

Et je fais beaucoup plus de conneries bien sûr !

[PeterMollenburg]

Okay, Rocket French Platinum officially complete. I did a quick review in total about an hour and although I didn't go my usual perfectionist in shadowing everything without stopping (I paused here and there) route as it had been a long time since I touched this program, I was satisfied, and over it. I've had enough of this program and can't get much more out of it, and if anything from here on I may one day listen to it again in my car for review, but I consider it well and truly completed and for now Pimsleur 5 is my program of choice for commutes (of which i'm half way through).

In terms of audio programs Rocket French Platinum has been the most challenging compared to Michel Thomas (all levels), Pimsleur 1-5, French Linguaphone All Talk and Paul Noble. I highly recommend it to anyone wanting to move a little beyond the final levels of the other programs mentioned.

Big 4
Big 1 (Assimil) becomes Big 2 with introduction of FSI Basic French Course today. I'm on unit 7... here goes...

[James29]

Congratulations on finishing the course. Can you comment on which audio course would be best for a beginner who wants to do 15 minutes of French a day?

[Tomás]

Congratulations on finishing the course. Can you comment on which audio course would be best for a beginner who wants to do 15 minutes of French a day?

Have you checked out earworms?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Quyt8u11QU

[Soffía]

I somehow see visions of a new thread being born, dedicated to the Triple C - The Course Completion Challenge

I'm tempted to jump in and promise to finally finish Icelandic Online. It's only been 4 years, after all. I need to finish it before they add any more new levels! (Talk about your course-finishing nightmares.)

In return, PeterMollenburg, can I challenge you to read a nice long novel? (It's worth a try...)

[PeterMollenburg]

Congratulations on finishing the course. Can you comment on which audio course would be best for a beginner who wants to do 15 minutes of French a day?

The best course to begin with in my opinion is either Paul Noble or Pimsleur. Both are clearly enunciated. Paul Noble, like Michel Thomas gives you a quicker introduction than Pimsleur and is rather like Michel Thomas (almost a carbon copy) without the thick accent. Pimsleur is very steady going but the best audio course for accent, almost no contenst.

In my opinion If I do the main courses over again, I would do Pimsleur 1 and 2 first, then Paul Noble, Pimsleur 3, Michel Thomas Total French (the first of 3 levels), Pimsleur 4, MT Perfect French (2nd of 3) Pimsleur 5, Michel Tomas Masterclass.

If you wanted to do more, then run through the slightly more obscure audio course of Linguaphone's All Talk then Rocket French which contains more than All Talk and if you are shadowing gets considerably toughter than say Pimsleur 5 when comparing with Rocket French Platinum (the 3rd of 3 levels). Even the 2nd level of Rocket French is maybe a little toughter than Pimsleur 5 for shadowing, but not much use of subjunctive - the vocab in Rocket French is faster and more like everyday French with colloquial language uesed at times. If I was to do ALL the courses over, as a beginner I would do them in this order:

Pimsleur 1
Pimsleur 2
Paul Noble
Pimsleur 3
Michel Thomas Total French
Rocket French Premium
Pimsleur 4
Michel Thomas Total French
Rocket French Premium Plus
Linguaphone French All Talk
Pimsleur 5
Michel Thomas Masterclass
Rocket French Platinum

I somehow see visions of a new thread being born, dedicated to the Triple C - The Course Completion Challenge

I'm tempted to jump in and promise to finally finish Icelandic Online. It's only been 4 years, after all. I need to finish it before they add any more new levels! (Talk about your course-finishing nightmares.)

In return, PeterMollenburg, can I challenge you to read a nice long novel? (It's worth a try...)

I've already comitted myself to enough in the way of courses, i'm not making any promises with any native content. That's the area in which i'm just going to take it easy, read what I want to, watch what i feel Sorry Soffía.

Nevertheless it would be nice to finally tick that Icelandic course off your to finish list Shall I join you?