Lawyer&Mom, Less is More (French & German)

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Re: Lawyer&Mom, Less is More (French & German)

Postby Cavesa » Tue Jul 02, 2019 8:18 pm

Lawyer&Mom wrote:So I’ve realized why God Save La France is so hard. Boatloads of French slang. (New words for sex, inebriation, anatomy, etc.) Which, hats off to the translator I guess, but maybe books aimed at young men (the narrator is 27, single, and on the prowl) just require a certain amount of slang to seem appropriately irreverent? I guess it’s great to have exposure, but I don’t feel like my French is anywhere near the level where I should try to retain any of this stuff.


Sounds like a book I should read! Thanks for adding it on my list!
(You might be laughing and finding me weird. But I've put some vocab examples from my recent medicine exam in my log. Sooo, I need such books for my education. Yeah, definitely just education. :-D )
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Re: Lawyer&Mom, Less is More (French & German)

Postby Lawyer&Mom » Wed Jul 24, 2019 4:19 pm

My hotel on my business trip last week had YouTube available on the TV. (And Netflix, Hulu etc. if you have your own account, and I don’t.) It was amazing to relax at the end of the day with French on the big screen. I started with Le dessous des cartes, and after that, all my suggested videos were French geography and culture documentaries! Yay! I found a lovely new show, Échappées belles. It’s a low key travel show with beautiful camera work. And each episode is 90 minutes, so they really have time to linger on the scenery. I never finished an episode, but tant pis! So relaxing!

(I really need to hurry up and finish ER. After that I just want to watch languid French non-fiction for the rest of my life... Or at least a long time!)
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Re: Lawyer&Mom, Less is More (French & German)

Postby Lawyer&Mom » Tue Jul 30, 2019 4:29 pm

Watched the 300th episode of ER last night. (There are 331.) I am *so* over this show. Watching an episode is still fine, but I just don’t care what happens. That patient is going to die? Whatever. Those doctors are going to break-up? Sure, fine, just please do it faster, okay?

I’m feel strongly the cast shares my opinion. We are all riding this out together. So close to the finish line!
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Re: Lawyer&Mom, Less is More (French & German)

Postby Lawyer&Mom » Wed Aug 07, 2019 5:18 pm

Was reading an easy French non-fiction book, an introduction to Ancient Greek history and culture aimed at middle school students. Nicely accessible reading level, cute cartoon pictures... something relaxing at the end of a long day. Their explanation of the Trojan war: Helene left Greece with her lover Paris, leaving behind her husband Agamemnon... Huh, what? C’est pas vrai!

Agamemnon was the high king who led the Greek army against Troy, but her husband was Menelaus. I feel betrayed by the French. I thought France took its connection to the Ancient World and the Academic Arts very seriously. How can I feel smug and superior about reading in French if they are just going to muck about with the basic facts like that? Who can I trust!?!

(I didn’t actually know about Menelaus until like three months ago, but we are *very* into Greek Myths at my house these days and I cannot recommend the Gareth Hinds graphic novels of the Odyssey and the Iliad highly enough. Once you’ve *seen* the characters, you will never confuse Agamemnon and Menelaus again, they have like totally different hair styles! (There are a lot of people in the Iliad. Visuals really do help you keep them all straight.))
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Re: Lawyer&Mom, Less is More (French & German)

Postby Lawyer&Mom » Thu Aug 22, 2019 3:48 pm

I have finished ER. 15 seasons, 93 discs, 322 episodes, 278 hours of dubbed French. I bought the boxed set in November 2017. It took me 1.75 years. (It felt longer.)

So where am I now? My listening comprehension has definitely improved. But even so it’s still probably only 80% maybe 85% per episode? I can follow the story perfectly, but I absolutely still miss things. The real difference is when I watch something easier. A newscast or a documentary. Suddenly I seem to understand everything!

What’s next? I watched the first episode of Fait pas ci, Fait pas ça last night. Wow. It’s so wild to watch French in actual France instead of Chicago (filmed on a set in LA.) I’ve spent a lot of time in Europe, and my mind was constantly picking out the little familiar details. The plugs! The angled handle on the shopping cart! That haircut on the French teacher! The language maybe got less attention. That’s actually a perk of watching a familiar dubbed show, the only thing new and different it the language itself.
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Re: Lawyer&Mom, Less is More (French & German)

Postby Lawyer&Mom » Sun Aug 25, 2019 12:15 am

Holy heck, text entry in Clozemaster is hard! And so worthwhile. Sigh. It’s really the only way forward with my intermediate languages. Thank god it shows you letter by letter whether you are on the right path. Otherwise it would probably be impossible! I’m already 20,000+ words into the French Fluency deck, so I’m being asked some very obscure stuff. Makes occasionally knowing the right answer very satisfying. Most often I have to submit a blank answer so it reveals the correct answer, which I then have to try to remember for when the sentence comes back up... it’s exhausting but fun.

I may also be playing with the Russian and Modern Greek decks, multiple choice, but don’t tell anyone...
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Re: Lawyer&Mom, Less is More (French & German)

Postby Cèid Donn » Sun Aug 25, 2019 3:28 am

:lol: :P

I don't do the text entry on all my Clozemaster courses. Some I do a mix of text and multuple choice, and others, I just do multiple choice. But the ones I am comfortable doing all with text entry are definitely very rewarding. And like with the Scottish Gaelic course, the only reason I'm continue to do that course, resetting sentences batch by batch and mercilessly dominating the leaderboard, is because it's such good typing practice! (I'm mercilessly dominating the Breton board too, if only due to a lack of interest from other learners--at least with Irish and Welsh, there are people working hard on those courses regularly so I don't feel like a complete jerk over there with my excessive scores in all the Celtic courses :oops: )

Lawyer&Mom wrote: Thank god it shows you letter by letter whether you are on the right path. Otherwise it would probably be impossible!


I know you can turn that feature off on the Android app, but I don't know if you can on the website. But honestly I don't recommend doing that even if it seems like it would make it more challenging. One thing I learned from Duolingo is that getting punished for making the same tiny mistake over and over is not motivating. I have found this feature on Clozemaster to be incredibly helpful in getting me in the habit of using the correct diacritics and spelling words correctly, precisely because it tells you when you type a wrong letter or miss a diacritic. Plus, it doesn't give you the correct answer, so you have to figure that out on your own. I find that's exactly the kind of assistance I need.

I’m already 20,000+ words into the French Fluency deck, so I’m being asked some very obscure stuff.


I'm not that far along in the French<English deck, but I am far enough in to be grateful I spent a lot of time building my vocabulary on Memrise!

I may also be playing with the Russian and Modern Greek decks, multiple choice, but don’t tell anyone...


I'm definitely not one to judge anyone else about how many Clozemaster decks they're currently doing. :mrgreen:
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Re: Lawyer&Mom, Less is More (French & German)

Postby Lawyer&Mom » Sun Aug 25, 2019 5:48 am

Cèid Donn wrote:
Lawyer&Mom wrote: Thank god it shows you letter by letter whether you are on the right path. Otherwise it would probably be impossible!


I know you can turn that feature off on the Android app, but I don't know if you can on the website. But honestly I don't recommend doing that even if it seems like it would make it more challenging. One thing I learned from Duolingo is that getting punished for making the same tiny mistake over and over is not motivating. I have found this feature on Clozemaster to be incredibly helpful in getting me in the habit of using the correct diacritics and spelling words correctly, precisely because it tells you when you type a wrong letter or miss a diacritic. Plus, it doesn't give you the correct answer, so you have to figure that out on your own. I find that's exactly the kind of assistance I need.


I love that it makes me use the correct diacritics, because otherwise I basically ignore them. (Who knew there is an ï in astéroïde? Is that really even a letter!?!) But I really wish it made me capitalize words correctly for German!
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Re: Lawyer&Mom, Less is More (French & German)

Postby overscore » Sun Aug 25, 2019 8:42 am

Lawyer&Mom wrote:
Cèid Donn wrote:
Lawyer&Mom wrote: Thank god it shows you letter by letter whether you are on the right path. Otherwise it would probably be impossible!


I know you can turn that feature off on the Android app, but I don't know if you can on the website. But honestly I don't recommend doing that even if it seems like it would make it more challenging. One thing I learned from Duolingo is that getting punished for making the same tiny mistake over and over is not motivating. I have found this feature on Clozemaster to be incredibly helpful in getting me in the habit of using the correct diacritics and spelling words correctly, precisely because it tells you when you type a wrong letter or miss a diacritic. Plus, it doesn't give you the correct answer, so you have to figure that out on your own. I find that's exactly the kind of assistance I need.


I love that it makes me use the correct diacritics, because otherwise I basically ignore them. (Who knew there is an ï in astéroïde? Is that really even a letter!?!) But I really wish it made me capitalize words correctly for German!


it's used in some pretty basic words: maïs, haïr, or in names: Alexeï.
there's also ë. basically only ever used in the word Noël.

Both are fairly confusing and I know plenty of native speakers of french never use them.

there's ù that's a letter only ever used in one word: .
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Re: Lawyer&Mom, Less is More (French & German)

Postby Lawyer&Mom » Sun Aug 25, 2019 7:09 pm

overscore wrote:it's used in some pretty basic words: maïs, haïr, or in names: Alexeï.
there's also ë. basically only ever used in the word Noël.

Both are fairly confusing and I know plenty of native speakers of french never use them.

there's ù that's a letter only ever used in one word: .


I’m used to some diaeresis in English: Noël, Chloë, Zoë. But Wikipedia insists that we native English speakers spell naive with a ï, and like hell we do.

(The fine people who work at the New Yorker probably do put an ï in naive, but um, they don’t count. They live in a very special bubble.)
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