Tristano's log 2015 (principally Dutch but not only)

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Re: Tristano's log 2015 (principally Dutch but not only)

Postby Tristano » Fri Oct 30, 2015 6:10 pm

Soffía wrote:
Tristano wrote:Icelandic:
Pro: after Dutch and Icelandic learning German is a breeze.
Cons: well, it's useless


*waves little flag for Icelandic*

It is useless, there's no denying that, but it belongs to a lovely country, it has a charming sound (to me), and it unlocks a surprising amount of quality literature given the small size of Iceland's population. You can also read Old Norse once you've learned Icelandic, so it's a two-for-one deal.

If you ever have any questions about learning Icelandic, let me know!


Hi @Soffia!
I tried Icelandic with not so much effort two years ago. That was before I started to have a clue what I was doing.
I particularly suffered the very little amount of resources. If I want to study German I can use assimil, Duolingo, germanpod101, German for reading, just to mention some that can really help me to assimilate the language before to start to study grammar. Nothing of that exists for Icelandic. I want to be able to read and have some conversation before to study grammar. At least with this kind of languages. So that I thought that I can leave it for last in my Germanic collection (with my Dutch as second - or first if you don't count English) so that I will have a major vocabulary discount.
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Re: Tristano's log 2015 (principally Dutch but not only)

Postby Tristano » Fri Oct 30, 2015 6:21 pm

Expugnator wrote:I'd go for an agglutinative language. Turkish, probably. It's really fun to be able to express concepts in a more elegant and concise way. Besides, Turkish has a duolingo course, Assimil, good music and many other resources, the spelling is almost phonemic.


Hey @Expugnator, thanks for stopping by. You summarized very well why should I learn Turkish. But why not Hungarian instead? Most of the things you said are valid for both languages. And I can't decide between these two.

I have an insert voice telling me to complete the romances, then the Germanic, then the Slavic and then do the others. Another one says to do Russian. Another one to do all the Slavic and Russian last. Another to do Arabic. And my love to Iceland proposes Icelandic. My business part suggests Mandarin.
And Persian makes be sigh.
Why I can't decide? :(
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Re: Tristano's log 2015 (principally Dutch but not only)

Postby Tristano » Sun Nov 08, 2015 9:50 pm

Back to study
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Re: Tristano's log 2015 (principally Dutch but not only)

Postby Tristano » Mon Nov 09, 2015 8:59 am

I woke up at 6 to study Dutch.
I started to work with Nederlands in Actie, it looks a pretty good textbook.
I read every sentence aloud. It takes more time but I found it useful:
- it forces me to speak
- it forces me to mind the pronunciation
- it forces me to understand the text

At the beginning I was struggling but during the hour I started to read more fluently. I also did all the exercises proposed.

Ik werd wakker om 6 uur om Nederlands studeren.
Ik beginde met Nederlands in Actie werken, het lijkt een erg goed textboek.
Ik leesde elke zin voor. Het neemt meer tijd maar ik vind het handig:
- het dwingt me te spreken
- het dwingt me aan de uitspraak te concentreren
- het dwingt me de tekst te begrijpen

In het begin had ik moeite maar tijdens het uur beginde ik vloiender te lezen. Ik deed ook alles de oefeningen voorgestelden.
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Re: Tristano's log 2015 (principally Dutch but not only)

Postby Chmury » Mon Nov 09, 2015 10:47 am

Tristano wrote:Ik werd wakker om 6 uur om Nederlands te studeren.
Ik beginde begon met het Nederlands in Actie te werken, het lijkt een erg goed textboek.
Ik leesde las elke zin voor. Het neemt meer tijd maar ik vind het handig:
- het dwingt me te spreken
- het dwingt me aan de uitspraak te concentreren
- het dwingt me de tekst te begrijpen

In het begin had ik moeite maar tijdens het uur beginde begon ik vloiender te lezen. Ik deed ook alles wat de oefeningen voorgestelden voor hebben gesteld/hebben voorgesteld.


Ik hoop dat je het niet vervelend vindt, maar ik heb wat verbeteringen gemaakt. Sterkte! - I hope you don't find it annoying, but I've made some corrections. All the best and good luck with your Dutch! Bovendien, waar woon jij in Nederland? - By the way, where are you living in The Netherlands?
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Re: Tristano's log 2015 (principally Dutch but not only)

Postby Tristano » Mon Nov 09, 2015 11:39 am

Dank je wel @Chmury!
Ik woon in Scheveningen (Den Haag), naast de zee ;)
Ben je in Nederland geweest?


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I think I will probably study Swedish. I've been in a restaurant in my village in Italy and I was speaking Dutch with my girlfriend and in the other table there was an Italian woman with a Swedish man speaking Swedish. I found it really amazing for my village were people mostly speak Italian or even dialect only.

Ik denk dat ik mogelijk Zweeds zal studeren. Ik ben in een restaurant in mijn dorp in Italie geweest en ik was aan het Nederlands met mijn vriendin spreken en in de andere tafel was er een Italianse vrouw met een Zweedse man dat het Zweeds waren aan het spreken. Ik vond het uitstekend voor mijn dorp waar mensen vaak allen Italians of zelfs dialect.

I become pretty lazy to translate everything in Dutch so I will not do it every time. It would be nice to find some beginner book written in swedish only.
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Re: Tristano's log 2015 (principally Dutch but not only)

Postby PeterMollenburg » Tue Nov 10, 2015 10:20 pm

Tristano wrote:Dank je wel @Chmury!
Ik woon in Scheveningen (Den Haag), naast de zee ;)
Ben je in Nederland geweest?


Ik ben daar één keer geweest tijdens 2011. Hoe vind je het daar om te wonen? Spreekt er iedereen de Nederlandse taal? Ik vraag je dat omdat een Nederlander die hier in Australië woont me verteld heeft dat meer dan 50 pro cent inwoners van Den Haag niet Nedrelands zijn.
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Re: Tristano's log 2015 (principally Dutch but not only)

Postby Tristano » Wed Nov 11, 2015 2:12 pm

PeterMollenburg wrote:
Tristano wrote:Dank je wel @Chmury!
Ik woon in Scheveningen (Den Haag), naast de zee ;)
Ben je in Nederland geweest?


Ik ben daar één keer geweest tijdens 2011. Hoe vind je het daar om te wonen? Spreekt er iedereen de Nederlandse taal? Ik vraag je dat omdat een Nederlander die hier in Australië woont me verteld heeft dat meer dan 50 pro cent inwoners van Den Haag niet Nedrelands zijn.


Dat is inderdaad correct. Half van de populatie of deze staad zijn buitenlanders en ze meestal geen Nederlands spreken (maar wat Aziatische immigranten spreken alleen slecht Nederlands en geen Engels) . De andere half zijn Nederlanders die heel goed Engels spreken (* eigenlijk vele Nederlanders lijken voleiend maar ze hebben een kleine vocabulair en vreselijke grammatica - als vreselijk of vreselijker dan de mijne).

Wonen hier vind ik fantastisch, maar dit is voor elke persson verschil. Ik hou van de lifestyle en ik voel me blij om twintig kilometers per dag fietsen naar werk. De weer is zeker niet als zuid-Italie maar dat maakt me niet uit: ik ben uit de noord-Italie en het verschil is minder. Het regent vaaker maar licht. In noord-Italie het kan voor twee weken zonder pauze regenen en heel sterk. Ik gebruik geen parapluie hier: het is gebruikeloos. De wind is te sterk en het regen is licht. Je hebt het niet zo nodig en het gaat kapoot de eerste keer je het open doet :)
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Re: Tristano's log 2015 (principally Dutch but not only)

Postby Serpent » Wed Nov 11, 2015 2:39 pm

Tristano wrote:The whole Slavic branch up to A2 and Russian last?
Pro: well, it's cool
Cons: even more years!

I don't think it makes sense to learn a bunch of languages to A2 and maintain that artificially ;) imo the best way to learn related languages is to have comprehensible input. In a new family you can have it with some formal study, but the better you know other langs in the same family, the less study you'll need :) If you limit yourself to A2, you limit the synergy.

Also, if Portuguese is "boring and easy", why do you want to learn it?
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Re: Tristano's log 2015 (principally Dutch but not only)

Postby Tristano » Thu Nov 12, 2015 11:39 am

Serpent wrote:I don't think it makes sense to learn a bunch of languages to A2 and maintain that artificially ;) imo the best way to learn related languages is to have comprehensible input. In a new family you can have it with some formal study, but the better you know other langs in the same family, the less study you'll need :) If you limit yourself to A2, you limit the synergy.


fair enough...

Also, if Portuguese is "boring and easy", why do you want to learn it?


I guess it's the +1 factor...
I'm in this moment thinking to do Swedish. My germanic language branch is suffering, and the best places in the world to live speak germanic languages (not english). And Swedish has that something that makes the spoken language extremely enjoyable to my ears.
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