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Re: Reading for Film Studies
Ryan, what you wrote makes a lot of sense. It seems we both reached to similar conclusions (I don't know if you have been reading my log lately). There is a time for L-Ring and it tends to be longer for distant languages (which actually tend to have much less resources). I also think it is important to switch methods. Now, for example, I am listening to Norwegian and reading in Portuguese and I'm watching a Norwegian series with no subtitles. Result: my Name regain is already suffering from a slower expansion of vocabulary dye to not bei g exposed to the written language.
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Re: Reading for Film Studies
Have you considered using some of the http://librivox.org/ open-sourced books and slowing them down? Human readers and they have a lot of books like Jules Verne, etc in French. This is an interesting experiament and I have a couple of those books already, so I might just have a play with this method myself. I commute a lot via car, so long slow books in French wouldn''t be a problem, especially where I already know the book.
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Re: Reading for Film Studies
Just a note on the L-R system. The originator of the system details a list of rules to be used in L-R, though in the posts s/he makes s/he also tells us that there are no rules.
Here is the url for the first post s/he makes on the ur-site:
http://how-to-learn-any-language.com/fo ... PN=1#59537
My own attempts to follow precisely her steps foundered on finding (1) a text I had read and really liked with (2) good audio for the text. I made do with what I could find, but couldn't make a go of it. This would not lead me to say the method is not a good one. I would further add that the L-R method, like so many other methods, can work well even in parts. Part of the process of learning a language, it seems to me, is learning to adapt various strategies to one's own preferences. There are no canonical methods, in my opinion, for learning a language. And yet this is not to say that some methods will not work if followed religiously. For some of us they work, for some of us they do not work.
As for librivox and litteratureaudio, I made good use of their French sources for some of Proust, Dumas père and Camus. (I can no longer remember any longer which author came from which source). Needless to say, some non-professional voices work better for me than others.
Here is the url for the first post s/he makes on the ur-site:
http://how-to-learn-any-language.com/fo ... PN=1#59537
My own attempts to follow precisely her steps foundered on finding (1) a text I had read and really liked with (2) good audio for the text. I made do with what I could find, but couldn't make a go of it. This would not lead me to say the method is not a good one. I would further add that the L-R method, like so many other methods, can work well even in parts. Part of the process of learning a language, it seems to me, is learning to adapt various strategies to one's own preferences. There are no canonical methods, in my opinion, for learning a language. And yet this is not to say that some methods will not work if followed religiously. For some of us they work, for some of us they do not work.
As for librivox and litteratureaudio, I made good use of their French sources for some of Proust, Dumas père and Camus. (I can no longer remember any longer which author came from which source). Needless to say, some non-professional voices work better for me than others.
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Re: Reading for Film Studies
Looking forward to reading about your Thai experiment!
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Re: Reading for Film Studies
Looking forward to seeing the results of your tests, Ryan. I'm here on my log ranting on my daily basis that my methods aren't efficient enough, but I think that when it comes to 'speaking' my opaque languages I'm not that far off. I think I can speak better than I assume I do. On the other hand, my main goal which is to turn opacity into transparence is lagging behind. I think I put my efforts on the latter and end up getting better results with the former. Sometimes I think if I took an italki challenge for each of my languages or the like I'd reach basic fluency in them, but understanding a contemporary novel in an opaque language is a different beast. Now I'm thinking about trying to speak in order to improve my reading and listening comprehension.
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