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Re: Just a log (English, Italian)

Postby rfnsoares » Tue Jul 23, 2019 7:44 pm

aaleks wrote:It seems I'm going to try to revive my German. As I've mention before technically German is my L2 (it goes like my L1 - Russian, L2 - German, L3 - English, L4 - Italian). German is the language I was learning for 7 years in school (unsuccessfully), and then later for about a year on my own - this time I actually managed to learn something but then I quitted and everything got lost. Later when I was learning English I thought of reviving my German but never got to the point to actually do it. Then I gave up on the idea, but sometimes I had that kind of wishful thinking that maybe one day if I found something I would like to watch or read in German I would try to revive or relearn it. The thing is the moment has come :mrgreen: . I've found that "something" that I want to watch in German so for about a week my poor English has had to share its time not only with Italian but with German as well. I honestly don't know if that "German recovery" is going to last long but right now I think that it's worth at least trying. Besides I would like to try my new listening-watching approach on German too. And, of course, peppa-piging :lol: . I've noticed that I'm really learning new words from that cartoon.

I won't change the name of the log though because it's just too eary, I may quit German once again tomorrow, or after a couple of weeks, or ... And I'm not going to really learn it, just try to recall what I learned all those years ago. Besides, it's not exactly true that I forgot German completely, I still remember enough of the grammar and handful of words.

P.S. Is my English going to survive this abuse?..... :roll:


I lost the track of how many times I quit learning German in the past ten years, but this time I'm really enjoying it. I do not know why, but I believe I've found a routine that suits me. I study German for about 40 min in the morning using Assimil and a list of more frequently words. That's what I'm enjoying doing at the moment. Actually, you don't need to give up on anything you've been doing, just find something that you like. If you like Peppa Pig, then watch episodes. I confess that I like Pegga Pig ( :oops: ), but I don't watch it because my listening skills suck.
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Re: Just a log (English, Italian)

Postby Kat » Tue Jul 23, 2019 8:57 pm

aaleks wrote:It seems I'm going to try to revive my German. As I've mention before technically German is my L2 (it goes like my L1 - Russian, L2 - German, L3 - English, L4 - Italian). German is the language I was learning for 7 years in school (unsuccessfully)...


That sounds remarkably like my experience with Russian. :D

It's the first foreign language I ever studied in school but I never got anywhere close actually speaking it. Our teachers used a very old-fashion grammar-translation approach with lots of rote memorization. The result is that I can still recite most of the conjugation/declination tables, however, when it comes to applying them in practice, I'm completely lost. :cry:

I've been tempted to take the language up again because I would love get to the point where I can comfortably follow a movie or have an actual conversation that doesn't only involve memorized phrases. What keeps me from doing it is the knowledge how much time it would take and that I don't really have that time at the moment.

Anyway, good luck with your German experiment!
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Re: Just a log (English, Italian)

Postby aaleks » Tue Jul 30, 2019 8:04 pm

It seems I've made a beginner mistake - starting a new language before reaching a good level in one I'm currently learning. Let alone the fact that I still haven't figured out how to deal with two langauges at the same time, and now there are three of them. But the thing is I don't want to drop any of them. Of course, German is not exactly a new language to me. When I started learning it in school I barely turned 10, in some way I grew up with the language even though it was just in the form of school lessons. Now it feels like something I know well, not language-wise but in the way one can know/feel about an old acquaintance, someone or even something that you know the whole life, something like that. And I've realized that losing/forgetting German had always given me some sad feeling, like it was a loss and failure at the same time. I don't want to quit it once again. I'm not going to get it up to the C-levels though. B2 in passive skills will be enough.

It seems learning at least two weak languages is going to slow down my progress in both. Italian is definitely suffering from having to share its time with German but I am still happy with the result I've got so far. As I've mentioned before, since June I've been doing a kind of experiment of learning Italian without looking up words in a dictionary. I think I will continue like that till September. It's not an experiment now though. I just want to become better at guessing the meaning of a word from context/input.

Unfortunately my English is going to slide. I don't think I'll be able to keep it at even the level it is right now, and I'm afraid it started to slide a couple of months ago. I'm reading and listening to something in English every day, or almost every day, but that's not enough.
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Re: Just a log (English, Italian)

Postby jeff_lindqvist » Tue Jul 30, 2019 9:23 pm

aaleks wrote:It seems I've made a beginner mistake - starting a new language before reaching a good level in one I'm currently learning. Let alone the fact that I still haven't figured out how to deal with two langauges at the same time, and now there are three of them. But the thing is I don't want to drop any of them.


It's hardly a mistake unless you give up. (I'm not sure that giving up is a mistake either. You can always go back to that language later in life.)

Just keep in mind that things will go a bit slower for some time, and don't forget to do things in the other languages now and then. Sometimes you want to do the same activity in many languages, sometimes you want variation (read in one, listen in another, write in a third...).

Good luck! Take it easy. It's not a competition.
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Re: Just a log (English, Italian)

Postby StringerBell » Wed Jul 31, 2019 4:30 pm

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Re: Just a log (English, Italian)

Postby aaleks » Thu Aug 01, 2019 6:16 pm

I just want to say that deleting the posts was agreed with me. Please, do not continue the discussion.
And because I want to put something uplifting here, I'll post this video-clip. It's from an Italian series I like the most at the moment.

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Re: Just a log (English, Italian)

Postby aaleks » Fri Aug 02, 2019 6:06 pm

I keep watching a series in German. It seems I need about two weeks or so to get used to the sound of a language. Then I can make out one word here, one word there. It might be a bit faster for German because it is a language I've learned before. During the first week it was interesting to watch how the process of recalling the language was going. I guess, when it comes to foreign languages the process of understanding a word/phrase usually goes like this:
hearing -> transating -> understanding.
But in case with German it was, and sometimes still is, like this:
hearing -> understanding -> transating
I heard a word or phrase, undestand the meaning and after that realized what word it is, i.e. how it might be translated to Russian.
I'm watching the series on youtube so I use youtube's subtitles, or more precisely German-translated-to-Russian subtitles which makes them look/sound even more weird. But they are not completely useless. At first I felt that I wasn't making any progress but recently I've noticed that my overall comprehension has been improving. Today I was watching Peppa Pig in German and it felt like I was able to understand almost everthing. I know it's just a feeling, an illusion most likely, but still.

Piano piano Italian is improving too. When I have time and feel like doing it I read one page of an Italian book. I use no dictionary but even when I can't really understand everything, I can fugure out it from the context. I like playing this guessing game because I see that developing my "guessing" skills has a positive effect not only on my Italian but on my approach, understanding of the language learning process in general. I believe that if I want to improve my English that besides doing all the obvious things like reading more books, etc. I need to change my approach to the whole process. And my experiment with Italian is helping me with it.
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Re: Just a log (English, Italian)

Postby aaleks » Tue Aug 06, 2019 5:20 pm

It seems I like German. Not the way I love Italian, because Italian is... Italian :) , but the way I like English. It's a bit surprising because the problem I always had with German was that it was a school subject, and had to learn it instead of English - the language I really wanted to learn at that time. And even though choosing between German and French I chose German myself, later I regretted that I didn't choose French that seemed to be more fun. But now I think that I wasn't all that wrong back then because it seems French is not my language. I was dabbling in French for about a year but never felt that way about it - never felt that I really like the language. Maybe that is why I gave up on the idea on learning it eventually. German on the other hand has a real chance to become my third foreign language (technically being the first one). But three foreign langauges!.. that is awful... That is where it has to stop. No more languages, at least in the near future... or never...

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Re: Just a log (English, Italian)

Postby Morgana » Wed Aug 07, 2019 2:16 am

aaleks wrote:But three foreign langauges!.. that is awful... That is where it has to stop. No more languages, at least in the near future... or never...
I feel the same! Three is a lot, maybe too much.

I felt/feel the same about French, except for me it was a school subject. Sometimes languages just don’t “click” ;)

I always enjoy reading your thoughts, aaleks, about your languages, and about language learning in general.
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Re: Just a log (English, Italian)

Postby aaleks » Wed Aug 07, 2019 11:41 am

Morgana wrote:I always enjoy reading your thoughts, aaleks, about your languages, and about language learning in general.


Thank you! Btw, sometimes those thoughts are provoked by reading your log :)
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