Elsa Maria's Log: Danish + (PT, LA, NL, NO)

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Re: Elsa Maria's Log: Danish +

Postby Elsa Maria » Sun Jan 17, 2021 6:30 pm

Gosh, I find so much inspiration on this forum.

Can I aim for 1000 hours this year like PM?
Maybe. Probably not. But I'm going to try. If I do, it will be 1000 hours spread over multiple languages.

Can I do better with updates? I really admire that Radioclare updates her log daily. She has such an impressive, consistent log.
I think I can improve my updates in a meaningful way, and also just overall be a more active forum participant. Starting with reading more logs.

How many languages can I manage this year? I get so inspired by the work I see people doing here.
I actually have a lot of free time, and a reasonable amount of discipline. The limit is more that I have other things that I like to do/learn, and they compete with languages. For one thing, I am always on a see-saw of languages vs. reading in English.
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Here is the plan of the moment:

I'll do my 30 minutes of Danish daily. That is just a minimum.
I'll keep up with my Latin class, but not spend much (if any) additional time on Latin.

I'm going to put myself on a loose six week schedule, lined up with the 6WC cycle. I really like the idea of planning in six week chunks.
I think the next one starts 01 Feb. I already know I am going to do European Portuguese for my 6WC language.

One thing I would like to do by 01 Feb is finish the first level of learndutch.org. This should not be a problem as I have completed 40/50 videos and most of the exercises.
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This is what I have done for Danish since my last update, as best as I can reconstruct it:

17 Jan
Two exercise sets from the workbook Dansk er ikke så svært. I did OK.
Da eller når: 18/20 correct
Om eller hvis: 17/20 correct
I understand the ones I got wrong. They were due to missing the cues of the other words in the sentence rather than not understanding the rules.

16 Jan
A monthly virtual meeting with Danish friends. I am the only non-native speaker in the group. This is both the hardest and most rewarding thing that I do with Danish.

15 Jan
Vocab study.

14 Jan
Vocab study.

13 Jan
Grammar. I am going to do an active read through Routledge's Danish: Comprehensive Grammar. It is 700+ pages, so I'll be at that for some time :)

08 Jan through 12 Jan
Most of my time was spent on finishing a novel and starting a new one. I'll talk about my reading another day.

I usually at least browse Danish news every day. I'd like to do more work with the news this year.
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Re: Elsa Maria's Log: Danish +

Postby lingua » Mon Jan 18, 2021 1:11 am

Is your Latin class online? If so, where? And what materials are used?
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Re: Elsa Maria's Log: Danish +

Postby Elsa Maria » Mon Jan 18, 2021 1:24 pm

lingua wrote:Is your Latin class online? If so, where? And what materials are used?


Lingua, my class is an online class but it is only for those of us who are 50 years old or older :)
If anyone wants the link or more info, please send me a message. The pace is gentle, but the students are serious.

As for the materials, we use a textbook with the awful name Latin for Americans by Ullman and Henderson. I think the "for Americans" part merely refers to the listing order of the cases - nominative, genitive, dative, accusative, ablative. But I might be wrong about that. I am predisposed to dislike anything that looks like a standard high school textbook, but I actually do like the text well enough. There is no answer key so it doesn't suit self-study very well.

We also have two supplementary texts:
Latin Via Ovid by Norma Goldman, which I love.
Cambridge Latin Course, which I despise.
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Re: Elsa Maria's Log: Danish +

Postby Elsa Maria » Mon Jan 25, 2021 9:38 pm

I'll talk through my Danish reading a little bit. I only have the Danish edition for all of these.

CURRENT READS

alfabet by Inger Christensen (1981)

A English translation exists, but I do not have access to it. Maybe when I am finished with this book of poetry, I will look at the translation. Maybe!

This is a 75 page volume of poetry, and it is humbling. It looks simple, but there are SO MANY unknown words. Mostly concrete nouns. Some of them are birds and plants that I barely know in my native language. And because there are passages that are essentially lists of nouns, there really is little context for guessing.

But I am happy to reading a work like this, and I am really having a lot of joy working my way through it.

What I am doing:

I am taking it one section at a time and looking up all unknown words.
Because it is based on the Fibonacci sequence, there is a lot of repetition. Repetition is good :)
After I have looked up all the words, I read the section like a poem, not like a translation exercise. I keep at that section until I can read it like a poem. Then I move to the next section. The length of a section varies.

I keep looping through the audiobook, too. I start at the beginning and listen just beyond where I am in the print copy.

Book 4 of the Moomins by Tove Jansson (Mumifars erindringsbog) (1950)
I love reading these books. And there is a lot of rich vocabulary, particularly of nature.
An English translation exists, but I don't need it.


RECENT READS

Den som blinker er bange for døden by Knud Romer. (2006)
Completed: January 2021
Not translated into English.

A standard, modern novel that tells the story of a boy growing up with a Danish father and a German mother. It loosely falls under the category of literary fiction (skønlitteratur). Not my favorite book, but it was OK.

I found it relatively easy to follow but still with plenty of new words. Some of the dialogue is in German, which I don't know at all. I presume that it is basic German that most Danes would handle easily, because translations were only provided for long letters.

I think I can read most modern Danish novels now without too much trouble, unless the style is heavily postmodern. There are always a lot of unknown words, and I am slow. But I am not lost.

Ordet by Kaj Munk. (1932)
Completed: December 2019
Not translated into English.
Part of the Kulturcanon (Culture Canon)

This was my first time reading a play, and the first time I have read something with the old spellings. I think I should read more plays! Dialogue is easier to follow than descriptive prose. I really enjoyed reading this, and I began to learn about both the philosophies of N.F.S. Grundtivig about the teachings of the Indre Mission.
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Re: Elsa Maria's Log: Danish + (PT, LA, NL, NO)

Postby Elsa Maria » Tue Feb 02, 2021 12:53 am

I signed up for the 6WC for Portuguese, and I will be sticking with European Portuguese.
I'm starting from a base of nearly nothing, and I am so excited.

Background:
I tried the 6WC challenge once before with Portuguese, but only put in 4h43min, and that was over a year ago. I put in 4h26 minutes in January. So let's round it off and say I am starting with 10 hours of study. I don't know how much help it will be, but I know a wee bit of Spanish and a little bit of Latin.

Starting Resources:
Linguaphone course
Practice Portuguese app
Pimsleur
Basic Portuguese: A Grammar and Workbook (Routledge)
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Re: Elsa Maria's Log: Danish + (PT, LA, NL, NO)

Postby PeterMollenburg » Tue Feb 02, 2021 2:45 am

Elsa Maria wrote:I signed up for the 6WC for Portuguese, and I will be sticking with European Portuguese.
I'm starting from a base of nearly nothing, and I am so excited.

Background:
I tried the 6WC challenge once before with Portuguese, but only put in 4h43min, and that was over a year ago. I put in 4h26 minutes in January. So let's round it off and say I am starting with 10 hours of study. I don't know how much help it will be, but I know a wee bit of Spanish and a little bit of Latin.

Starting Resources:
Linguaphone course
Practice Portuguese app
Pimsleur
Basic Portuguese: A Grammar and Workbook (Routledge)


Good luck with your new language Elsa Maria! ;)
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Re: Elsa Maria's Log: Danish + (PT, LA, NL, NO)

Postby Elsa Maria » Tue Feb 02, 2021 5:31 pm

Thank you, Peter M. I appreciate that.

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Here are January's stats. I use ATracker Pro.

TOTAL: 50h 42min

Danish: 22h 20min
Always and forever...

Dutch: 14h 26min
I didn't quite finish my grammar course by the 1st of February. But almost!

Latin: 8h 01min
I'll probably never get out of textbook Latin.

Norwegian: 0h 43 min
Hmm. I'm still on the fence about proceeding with Norwegian. If it were easier to get books in Norwegian, I think I would be more motivated. But I do have a few books that I have not even read, so I shouldn't be whining. And I've discovered the podcast Lær Norsk Nå, which I really like.
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Re: Elsa Maria's Log: Danish + (PT, LA, NL, NO)

Postby tungemål » Wed Feb 03, 2021 8:57 am

Elsa Maria wrote:Norwegian: 0h 43 min
Hmm. I'm still on the fence about proceeding with Norwegian. If it were easier to get books in Norwegian, I think I would be more motivated. But I do have a few books that I have not even read, so I shouldn't be whining. And I've discovered the podcast Lær Norsk Nå, which I really like.


Wow, studying both Danish and Norwegian. That has got to be confusing. But, if you can already read Danish, it should be easy to read Norwegian. There are only a handful of words and false friends you need to learn. If you want e-books there is this site: https://ebok.no/ where you can buy Norwegian books in Kindle format.
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Re: Elsa Maria's Log: Danish + (PT, LA, NL, NO)

Postby Elsa Maria » Wed Feb 03, 2021 5:34 pm

tungemål wrote:
Wow, studying both Danish and Norwegian. That has got to be confusing. But, if you can already read Danish, it should be easy to read Norwegian. There are only a handful of words and false friends you need to learn. If you want e-books there is this site: https://ebok.no/ where you can buy Norwegian books in Kindle format.

Thanks for that website! You really made my day. I am very glad to know that I just had just not yet been looking in the right place.

I can read Danish reasonably well (whatever that means), which is why I feel ready for books after only minimal study. There are a lot of things I about Norwegian that I need to learn, and I have a textbook to read through. But I think I might learn best by comparing Danish and Norwegian texts. While Norwegian has to stay low on my priority list right now, I think my Danish is solid enough to give it a go whenever I decide to make the time for it. I can make my way around Norwegian websites with minimal or no problems.
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Re: Elsa Maria's Log: Danish + (PT, LA, NL, NO)

Postby PeterMollenburg » Thu Feb 04, 2021 10:07 pm

Elsa Maria wrote:
tungemål wrote:
Wow, studying both Danish and Norwegian. That has got to be confusing. But, if you can already read Danish, it should be easy to read Norwegian. There are only a handful of words and false friends you need to learn. If you want e-books there is this site: https://ebok.no/ where you can buy Norwegian books in Kindle format.

Thanks for that website! You really made my day. I am very glad to know that I just had just not yet been looking in the right place.

I can read Danish reasonably well (whatever that means), which is why I feel ready for books after only minimal study. There are a lot of things I about Norwegian that I need to learn, and I have a textbook to read through. But I think I might learn best by comparing Danish and Norwegian texts. While Norwegian has to stay low on my priority list right now, I think my Danish is solid enough to give it a go whenever I decide to make the time for it. I can make my way around Norwegian websites with minimal or no problems.


OOoh a Norwegian book resource. I'll take anything even though I prefer actual real paper, cheers tungemål ;)

Out of curiosity, and I can probably just search this, but why not ask here as it was your log Elsa Maria that made me wonder this... Does Danish also have a tonal system like Norwegian and Swedish? Are the tones similar-ish?
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