trui learns Nederlands and Deutsch

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Re: trui's dagboek

Postby trui » Thu Jun 29, 2017 8:34 am

Ik chat elke dag met Nederlanders op internet maar ik vind het steeds moeilijk om zoals een Nederlander te klinken hoewel het er veel makkelijker is dan schrijven op dit forum. Misschien omdat ik er beter kan relaxen en zo minder "formeel" Nederlands schrijven. Ik ga natuurlijk heel veel lezen, want ik hou van boeken en waarom zou ik mijn Nederlands niet gebruiken om zelfs meer interessante boeken te lezen? :)
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Re: trui's dagboek

Postby Cola » Fri Dec 01, 2017 10:39 pm

trui wrote:Misschien hou ik me voor de gek maar het voelt meer Nederlands dan de vertaalde fantasie boeken (Nederlandse vertalingen van Engelse boeken) dat ik tot nu toe heb gelezen.


Nee hoor datzelfde idee heb ik ook. (over door Nederlanders geschreven boeken in het algemeen bedoel ik) :D Ik weet niet of je dit al ergens heb uitgelegd op het forum, maar hoe heb je zo goed Nederlands geleerd? Ik vind het echt geweldig!
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Re: trui's dagboek

Postby trui » Sun Dec 03, 2017 9:12 pm

Cola wrote:Ik weet niet of je dit al ergens heb uitgelegd op het forum, maar hoe heb je zo goed Nederlands geleerd? Ik vind het echt geweldig!


Meestal met de hulp van Nederlanders zoals mijn vriend en dutchgrammar.com. Ik vroeg zoveel vragen in het begin! En ik schrijf elke dag in het Nederlands op internet chatrooms. Maar het kon nog beter zijn. Ik moet vooral meer lezen, bijvoorbeeld. Ik ben er trouwens drie jaar geleden mee begonnen dus dat helpt.

Hoe heb jij tot nu toe Nederlands geleerd? Je Nederlands is ook goed. :)
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Re: trui's dagboek

Postby Cola » Sat Dec 09, 2017 8:24 am

Bedankt! :D

Ik heb ook een Nederlandse vriend die me veel helpt met mijn Nederlands oefenen en verbeteren (ook al heb ik vaak het gevoel dat ik niet (snel) genoeg leer. Hij noemt me soms pietje precies omdat ik altijd perfect Nederlands wil praten wat vaak niet lukt haha :oops:)

In het begin heb ik naar veel animatiefilms (voornamelijk voor kinderen) gekeken en naar liedjes geluistered (en alles meegezegd en meegezongen :lol: ) en ik heb ook boeken zoals "Teach Yourself Dutch" gebruikt enzo.

Dutchgrammar is zo'n handige website vind ik. :D en dagelijks schrijven\praten (en vragen stellen) helpt inderdaad goed! Wat voor soort boeken wil je gaan lezen? Ik probeer op dit moment "Harry Potter en de Geheime Kamer" te lezen maar ik moet heel vaak stoppen om een woord op te zoeken in het woordenboek (wat gelukkig best makkelijk is omdat het een Kindle e-boek is met ingebouwd woordenboek) dus het gaat best langzaam.
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Re: trui's dagboek

Postby trui » Sat Dec 09, 2017 4:29 pm

Cola wrote:Wat voor soort boeken wil je gaan lezen? Ik probeer op dit moment "Harry Potter en de Geheime Kamer" te lezen maar ik moet heel vaak stoppen om een woord op te zoeken in het woordenboek (wat gelukkig best makkelijk is omdat het een Kindle e-boek is met ingebouwd woordenboek) dus het gaat best langzaam.


Veel plezier ermee! Tot nu toe heb ik alleen fantasieboeken uitgelezen maar ik ben gisteren met De wil en de weg van Jan Brokken begonnen, een boek over het schrijven van verhalen. Ik ben ook met het derde boek van De verborgen universiteit trilogie bezig.

De boeken dat ik gelezen heb:

Vertalingen van Engelse boeken die ik al in het Engels gelezen heb:

Harry Potter 1-3
De Zwarte magiers triologie van Trudi Canavan
Posterijen van Terry Pratchett

Nederlandse boeken:

De verborgen universiteit trilogie 1-2 van Natalie Koch

Harry Potter was echt moeilijk het eerste keer! Maar ik denk dat het me misschien op de andere fantasieboeken voorbereid heeft. :)
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Re: trui's Dutch and Deutsch Days

Postby trui » Fri Apr 05, 2019 9:04 pm

So I've decided to switch this log to English so everyone can read it. I'll still post in Dutch occassionally though or write in Dutch and give an English translation, etc. We zullen zien.

Not much exciting has happened language wise, although I am around one and a half months into Deutsch. So far so good. It shouldn't be too hard to get to B1, knowing Dutch already to the level I do, and once I'm B1 it'll be easy to stay motivated from there, especially since I've always wanted to learn German. So I'm pretty happy about it. I haven't been able to do that much though, being quite busy with taking 6 courses in Dutch full-time. They're aimed at learners, not native speakers, but most if not all of the texts we're reading are for natives at this point in the program. Right now I'm working my way through Max Havelaar among other texts. https://www.dbnl.org/tekst/mult001maxh15_01/mult001maxh15_01_0001.php

I'm also planning on picking up French still, one of these days. I'm even starting to review what little I learned years ago now, but it'll be a lot more slow going than German. After German and French, I'm not sure what I'd want to learn, but that decision is years down the road, so I'll think of that when I'm B2 in all 3.

But yeah, just a little update. :)
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Re: trui's Dutch and Deutsch Days

Postby trui » Sat Apr 20, 2019 5:05 pm

I've been more and more busy with uni lately, but on the plus side, since all of my courses are in Dutch, that means I've been more and more busy with Dutch. :)

Even so, I've still managed to have some time to work on my German and other hobbies. Right now I've started working my way through the Goethe pro vocabulary lists (I found direct links to them on Goethe's site through a google search). The A1 one has 650 words, A2 1300, and B1 2400. My goal is to learn those words, starting with the A1 list, and then start reading everything I can get my hands on. The word lists include the previous words in them, so the words I'll know once I finish will be ~2400.

How I'll be learning them is by using them when chatting to people (usually through text but speaking would work just as well if not better), making sentences with them independent of that, possibly using flashcards, and maybe even using some anki. I think the sentence/using them in practice method is ideal, especially since these are words I'll want to be able to actively use, but flashcards and/or anki is kind of tempting, even though I don't like Anki that much, because it's easier and thus easier to keep up with.

I'm aiming for 15 words a day since that's how much the vocab learning portion of one of my Dutch courses expects us to learn, so I feel like it's a good pace. Not too slow and not too fast. Of course that means I should be learning 30 words a day (Dutch and German)... which is a bit, but German isn't too hard so I think I can do it.

If anyone has any tips and advice, or whatever, feel free to comment you wish. Don't worry. I'm learning the words with the genders ;)
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Re: trui's Dutch and Deutsch Days

Postby trui » Sat May 18, 2019 2:41 pm

I've been a bit lazy lately, and impatient! Ich will schon Deutsch kennen!!

But alas, even with some intermediate Dutch in my back pocket, it'll take a while before I'm able to read much of anything. I have started to use the DasErste app to start to watch some German shows with German subtitles, and it's already reminding me of my previous struggles when I was first learning Dutch :) Vocab wise, I've gotten a bit lazy and started to use apps like lingvist and clozemaster. I still think studying 15 words a day, writing sentences for each one, etc., is a better method for me, as it helps me remember the gender much better, but that takes a lot more effort, and so I often don't end up doing it consistently. So clozemaster it is for now.

I've also installed 5 news apps that give me a good variety of news across varying viewpoints, and I can already understand an okay portion of some articles, thanks to my Dutch and my developing German vocabulary.

So yeah, my German is slowly going places. I just need to stick to it, keep learning every day, and I'm sure I'll be reading the famous German authors that are half the motivation for my German study in the not too distant future. :D
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Re: trui's Dutch and Deutsch Days

Postby Kat » Sun May 19, 2019 7:09 pm

trui wrote:I've been a bit lazy lately, and impatient! Ich will schon Deutsch kennen!!


"Kennen" is a bit of a false friend here. "Können" would be a better choice: Ich möchte schon Deutsch können!
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Re: trui learns Nederlands and Deutsch

Postby trui » Sat May 25, 2019 4:58 pm

I came across another false friend today. "Schlimm... that means slim (smart), right? But how can you have a smart nightmare... Let's see... oh. It means bad!" :lol: Dutch is helping immensely with my German, but you gotta watch out for those edge cases!

I haven't done too much German this past week, but I have watched a couple episodes of Tiere bis unters Dach, and I'm really enjoying it so far :) I've also started reading Sandra and Woo again, a comic I loved reading years ago. I forgot that there was both an English and German version! The comic is still actively updated, but I just had stopped reading it for some reason. So I've started reading it from the beginning auf Deutsch!

I've also done some more clozemaster and dabbled in some French. I'm still not sure when I'll start actively studying French; I might wait until I'm B1 in German, but we'll see.

Aber ja! It's been a pretty fun week overall.
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